11/29/03 BUST UPDATE:
Forfeiture Laws Being Used All Over U.S.
Against sexworkers Even if never charged!
While criminal charges have been dropped for now, there may be a major issue
about getting seized property back. Amazingly the civil forfeiture laws especially
in Arizona means property can be kept even if person is NEVER criminally charged
or charges dismissed. I assume this is why attorney Bob Jung on the List has
indicated he is now fighting to get clients property back.
Update: Various attorney's have advised clients its virtually useless to
fight to get cash property back even with the charges all dismissed!
I know of one provider who lost $3000 in cash she had at home. She knows
another provider that had $30,000 cash in her home with was forfeited again
with all charges dismissed!
In Arizona, the attorney general's office has unabashedly proclaimed that
the mission of Arizona's forfeiture laws is "'social engineering' accomplished
through government intercession in commercial activity harmful to the economy
as a whole." When such a broad official charter for forfeiture is combined
with the unique litigation advantages that forfeiture law already offers to
law enforcement, a powerful engine of government power is unleashed.". Source
CATO institute good article at
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-179es.html
Law enforcement chooses civil forfeiture because the deck is stacked against
property owners. In civil proceedings, for instance, the government
only needs to prove the property’s connection to allegedly criminal activity
by a mere “preponderance of evidence” standard, not proof “beyond a reasonable
doubt” as in criminal cases. Because it is the property itself
that is the target of the lawsuit, the owner of the property need not be convicted
of or even charged with any criminal activity for the government to forfeit
the property. Indeed, one study found that approximately 80% of
persons whose property was seized by the federal government for forfeiture
were never even charged with a crime. Moreover, property can be forfeited
even if someone used the property without the owners’ knowledge or consent.
In most states, forfeiture provisions are tied to specific criminal statutes
such as drug or prostitution laws
In ennis v. State of Michigan the government successfully forfeited a woman’s
car when her husband, unbeknownst to her, used it to engage the services of
a prostitute.
The system creates a perverse incentive structure for law enforcement officials.
The intent of such laws was to deprive criminals of their ill-gotten property
and cash and then use those proceeds to enforce the very laws the wrongdoers
violated. The unintended consequence of this effort, however, was that
many officials now view raising revenue—not enforcing the law fairly and justly—as
the primary goal of their activities. A recent study found that “numerous
law enforcement agencies now rely on forfeitures to fund a significant part
of their operations.”
At the county level, prosecutors distribute forfeited assets and proceeds
for a wide variety of supposed law enforcement purposes, from new vehicles
to conference and travel expenses, at the discretion of the county prosecutor.
Source: Institute For Justice at
http://www.ij.org/media/private_property/new_jersey/background.shtml
In Arizona the law is 13 A.R.S. 4311 Judicial in rem forfeiture proceedings
I have done an extensive webpage regarding this important issue at:
http://www.sexwork.com/legal/forfeiturelaw.html
11/27/03 Update - The Phoenix Bust "Operation House Call" - Busts have
been busted
While this applies to the Phoenix bust (details below) it may be of broader
interests. Phoenix is a VERY conservative city, a few days ago a Chan 5 I-team
investigation showed how vice cops spent $22000 at strip clubs looking for
the slightest illegal touch, including dancers touching their own breasts
on stage which is a criminal offense in Phoenix.
On 11/13 we had huge bust of private sexworkers. Now all charges have been
dropped. Maybe other cities in the U.S. might learn. The public was outraged
about the police resources spent on busting PRIVATE sexworkers. I was wonderfully
astonished that even conservative media was calling it a publicity stunt of
our Sheriff Joe. Here is latest news:
Special Bulletin - Phoenix Private List
In time for Thanksgiving-
Re: The Phoenix Bust "Operation House Call" - Busts have been busted
While the bust by 350 law officers of private sexworkers after a 2 month sting
operation led all the local TV news shows I wonder if any will report that
it seems all the about 80 cases have been tossed.
Hope to get more information for the Sunday night Private List Update but,
Here is post from lawyer active on the Private List on the Private List Discussion
Board. I had posted that at least two providers had charges dropped (Nina
and "Ms Canada") but didn't know why or if all about 80 folks charges were
tossed.
Here is response:
It looks like nobody is getting charged out of this bullshit show put on by
Sheriff Joe. I am now going to attempt to get all the property back for my
clients. We will see how that goes. I'm not sure if no charges are being filed
because the county attorney recognizes that this is a joke, or because they
are too busy.
Also, I am seeking people interested in pursuing legal action against the
sheriff's office and the county for false arrest, harassment, etc., etc.,
for all the crap they put people through just so Joe could get his face on
TV.
People's lives were ruined by this, and he needs to pay. If anyone is interested,
please PM me or call me (deleted contact info on non-Phoenix or public boards)
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Dave in Phoenix, founder Phoenix Private List Community since 1996
http://www.sexwork.com
In Phoenix - Operation House Call - Maybe Biggest Private Adult Prostitution
Bust in U.S. History
Public Internet Version of Update to Phoenix Private list Members sent from
Canada where I am enjoying their adult freedoms on November 16, 2003.
On November 13, 2003 in Phoenix and surrounding cities, Sheriff Joe used
350 officers to arrest 72 non street victims of his two month long sting with
cops paying for sex, getting nude but not having sex, in what may be the largest
single day bust of private adults on prostitution charges in U.S. history
(MSNBC reports). This publicity stunt has become very controversial and may
backfire against Sheriff Joe. However our main concern is for the victims
of his stunt.
Private List member Robert R. Jung, criminal attorney has posted a good legal
overview and offer to help victims of this morality raid on the Phoenix Private
Discussion Board. He has indicated there may be other actions that can be
taken regarding this publicity stunt but at the moment he is focused on representing
clients caught in the sting doing what ever he can to get their charges dismissed.
This will be a LONG report, including my ideas for suggested Call to Action
as well as reporting a summary of what most folks in Phoenix probably know.
But there are also many List members not in Phoenix who may not be aware what
is going on. I will also be posting most of this (probably all except the
names of known victims) on sexwork.com.
Even though I have been in Canada all the time, I have tried to keep up with
the news. I have E-mailed Sheriff Joe and New Times (my letters and others
included in this report). I have not seen the TV reports of course but am
including some comments from those that have. My TiVo does record 2 local
news reports a night so I will review those reports when I return to Phoenix
late this Fri Nov 21st.
Summary of Busts for anyone not aware especially those not in Phoenix
I am enjoying Canada where like most of the world this would not be a crime
but while I am enjoying Canada, In Phoenix they busted 72 (45 private escorts
and 27 customers) on November 13, 2003 from newspaper ads. Mug shots of some
are on our fearless Sheriff's website who boosts he is a "full service, all
crime buster".
There has been questions raised in the local media about the value of using
over 300 cops to do such an operation which also caught some well known customers
including Robert Stapley, brother of Maricopa County Supervisor Don Stapley,
R-District 2 of Mesa, who was arrested on suspicion of solicitation. Don's
comment was that yes his brother needs help and wants the families privacy
protected. No he doesn't need help, other than legal, he is perfectly normal
seeking sexual variety from a sex worker like normal well adjusted men do
all over the world, with no legal risk in most countries when done in private,
except in the U.S.
"During a news conference, Sheriff Arpaio defended the sweep and called it
just as valid as chasing murderers. "We're a full-service law enforcement
agency," he said. "We go after everybody."He said prostitution, which some
consider a victimless crime, brings in diseases, crime, guns, drugs and domestic
violence. We are the leading county in the United States for syphilis, and
the health department is very concerned about that." "I think a lot of people
will be shocked to learn about what's been going on right next door," Arpaio
said. "Street walkers are one thing. But an illicit sex business in an ordinary
neighborhood with children all around is unacceptable. I don't think most
parents want the kind of clientele these businesses attract near their children.."
Dave comments, Challenge and Call to Action
What on earth is any connection to crimes, guns or domestic violence? He should
be challenged on these statements including Letters to the Editor of the local
newspapers. Since I am in Canada I don't have access to see what is in the
papers but will catch up when return. On drugs, yes it is too bad a few escorts
mix drugs into it, but again I bet the incidence of drug use is in line with
the general population. Risk to neighborhood kids? Yeah sure the clients are
everyone's neighbors! His statement are totally without merit and he needs
to be challenged on these outrageous justifications.
Of course being outrageous is part of Joe's publicity stunts. For long list
of truth's about his false claims and self glorification see http://www.arpaio.com/truth.htm.
It concludes, " He has cost the taxpayers millions of dollars in legal fees,
lawsuits, attorneys fees, settlements, judgments, photographs of himself,
videos of himself, and maintaining his personal public relations staff."
Apparently, the sting called "Operation House Call" started two months ago
when undercovers called 96 ads in the papers and finding 95 alleged to offer
illegal sex... they apparently fanned out many officers throughout the community
and delayed making the busts until they had deeply infiltrated the community.
MSNBC is reporting it may be the largest single day prostitution raid in U.S.
history and Sheriff Joe promises more to come. His guys get nude with provider
before busting and then have female officers pretend to be the women in the
ads to bust customers that call. See http://www.msnbc.com/local/AZTRIB/M339041.asp?0LA=ajk9n
News report on busts:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1114raid.html
Make this an Opportunity - Call to Action
In a "Voice of the Valley" poll conducted by channel 12, only 3% thought that
the sheriff should be focused on prostitution. 41% said Meth labs, 22% Rural
Crime 11% stolen cars.
On AzCentral.com poll which just asked if the busts were a good thing for
the Sheriff to do, 69% said NO!
Action idea 1: I suggest writing letters to newspaper editors, expressing
view how there is no real risk in private sexwork, legal in most of the world
without the concerns of Sheriff Joe and a waste of police time and resources
to interfere with the private acts of consenting adults in private. Also letters
to Sheriff Joe and newspapers to challenge him to release the STD test data
related to number of all STD's found vs the rate for the normal population.
AZ Republic reports: "Of those arrested Thursday, 37 women and 12 men were
tested for syphilis; one woman had the sexually transmitted disease." I don't
have the data but 1 in 49 is not a high number compared to overall population.
Granted this is not a large enough sample to draw any proof but only 1 positive
seems to discredit his high risk of syphilis contention.
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IkneadU said: We can all sleep a little easier tonight knowing... that there's
that many less people less people going to be enjoying themselves tonight.
Lord knows that adults having sex in privacy endangers everyone! A man may
happily go home to his family with a big smile and a woman may be able to
pay her bills and care for her family. How awful! (It would be so much better
if that man went home and beat his wife out of frustration and that woman
couldn't pay her bills and ended up out on the street!) Thank goodness Sheriff
Joe and his posse are able to stop those horrible people from having some
healthy adult pleasure! I feel so much safer. Now if only someone could save
us from the REAL danger... people interfering with or taking away our most
PERSONAL ADULT RIGHTS!
What the hell ever happened to our right to the 'pursuit of happiness'???
I don't know about you but sex makes me reeeeal happy! How is it that just
because of some others who can't handle their own sexuality everyone else
should have to do without? Are we going to keep sitting around bitching about
it or is this latest bunch of crap enough to get us to do something?
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Action Idea 2:
Depending on the case results and legal advice all those busts could be an
opportunity for victims to band together with a friendly lawyer and if they
should lose in Phoenix Courts they could consider be a large test case on
appeal based on privacy rights under latest Supreme Court decision on gays.
This could be a coordinated effort with some national support potential with
donations to a "Right to Privacy Morality Law Supreme Court Challenge". At
least we are possibly at an advantage being in the 9th Circuit Court District
which is the most liberal Appellate Court in the U.S., where an appeal would
first be heard if morality law victims lose in Phoenix Courts. But this will
be a long and costly process. Victims and their attorneys will first be doing
all they can legally to defeat the charges in the Phoenix courts.
It might be helpful if many of the victims use the same lawyer such as Bob
Jung,480-704-5030 who has been highly recommended by many providers in the
past (see his note on Private List Discussion Board).
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The Publicity Stunt Victims:
I am getting lots of E-mail asking me who was a victim of the sting. To provide
a clearing house of information, I have posted who we know and see if we can
separate fact from speculation on the Private List Discussion Board.
At first I thought privacy should be considered, on the other hand it will
all be public information and I consider those busted as victims of Sheriff
Joe's prank and that we should support those who provide a valuable needed
service which is legal in most of the world, except the U.S. This time they
didn't go after street hookers that are a public nuisance but private sexworkers
and their clients that are mostly honest, law abiding citizen whose "crime"
is based on morality laws that violate our rights to privacy and "freedom
to have pleasure" which could be a constitutional challenge issue.
None of the victims I know of have been active on the Private List, but of
those that have been rarely reviewed or that I at least recognize include:
Names deleted for public version for privacy
I have had E-mails saying they say some of the others listed above, often
in a quite distraught state on TV report, when they were in the media frenzy
with all the cameras due to Sheriff Joe's making sure it was a major media
event.
If they look terrible in their mug shots or on TV, remember most were arrested
at their homes around 8am, had to endure cops searching their homes for evidence,
address books etc. Then female cops took over their phones and set up apportions
with customers that called and arrested them when they showed up. The sexwork
victims were eventually stashed in trailers at Park Central Mall until about
8pm to be sure they didn't warn friends while the round up was underway and
there phones were being worked by female cops. As "R" (not involved) wrote
to me, "they had the swat team and all out across the street from us it is
was horrible they held all those girls on a bus till 6:00pm that night and
they will continue for a few more days ... They went around and knocked on
doors and busted they also worked the phones when they got in and pulled the
guy's in..."
Once they were booked into Madison Street Jail after 8pm, they were not allowed
to post bail until they submit to tests for sexually transmitted diseases
under the Quarantine Act, a new state requirement. It was a very terrifying
experience I am sure and Terrorist Joe might be an appropriate name.
Personally I hate it when a sexworker simply lies and denies anything is going
on so emotionally. The real issue is the morality laws not making men who
seek sex some horrible animal that needs help. For example, Jacquelyn Valrie,
one of three women detained at La Palma Massage, 1747 N. Alma School Road,
Mesa, denied being a prostitute. "I just want to cry," Valrie said. "I want
out of this business. It's too much trouble." The majority of the men who
visit massage parlors want sex instead, Valrie said. "They all need to talk
to their wives and get some help," Valrie said.
Of course getting sexworkers who offer a benefit to a society being scared
out of business is the purpose of the enforcement of these morality crimes.
And no the men don't need help the are just expressing normal sexual desires
like in virtually all cultures in all of the history of mankind, where it
has not been such a terrible thing.
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I am getting E-mail from folks asking "what to do"? My response:
My take is for the next 6-12 months may be the safest time at least for LE
sting risk to do business. With such a bust tying up over 300 officers, the
clogged up Courts and paperwork, I doubt anything more will happen soon. But
both newspaper and websites are at risk as in the past. Providers have to
be very selective with clients and especially not say the wrong thing by E-mail
or phone. It is amazing that in this bust it was reported that 95 of 96 bust
victims said the wrong thing on the phone to undercover vice cops. Most importantly
nothing sexual should be exchanged for money only time and companionship can
be compensated for in the U.S.
I asked IkneadU about her calls from her newspapers ads - maybe she was the
1 in 96 that didn't say something wrong to the cops. She says, "Now most of
the 'idiot calls' come from LE or Joe's boys asking stupid/rude questions
like, "Do you do that nude?", "Do you give blow jobs?", "How much is a topless?"
There's been a lot of that going on lately and I wonder what kind of people
are dumb enough to answer these questions?! (Guess I should ask the ones in
jail! LOL)"
Obviously I'm bias, but the only safe place has been the Private List with
no active members involved and LE saying at one point they can't use the List
even for leads. Crossing fingers of course but with all the LE activity in
the last 6 years there has never a problem related or traced to the Private
List.
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Dave's nicer time in Canada
I am doing my usual zillions of reports posted on 2 Canadian boards and of
course my www.sexworkniagarafalls.com on great experiences mostly the great
strip clubs and massage, but also some great escorts since Canada doesn't
have the morality laws of the U.S. and everything I do is totally legal.
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Disclaimer
I DO NOT recommend anyone offer or participate in any illegal for compensation
sexual activity. In the U.S. you can only pay for legal companionship. In
Canada, most of Europe, Australia, Asia, and most of the rest of the world
where there are consenting adult rights, even prostitution is legal. But in
the U.S. I do not recommend any illegal paid for sexual activity due to our
morality laws that serve no public purpose and violate the rights of individual
private consenting adults.
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I have heard reports as the Bust is being widely discussed. I have heard from
others:
Before this was started the County Atty's office told Joe they would not file
formal complaints, unless it had to do with something other then prostitution.
So yes this was all a waste of time, and nothing but a big Joe Show!!!!.
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Posted By MCSO Detective on November 14, 2003 - Joe used every detective he
had on this, even all the dist guys. 'REAL' criminals, relax sex does sale.
As long as your name is Joe from the 5 O'clock funnies.
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According to Channel 10, the number is now up to 350, 150 "employees" and
200 posse used. I kind of want to know why joe didn't use the manpower for
the thousands of warrants that are backlogged at MCSO, instead of going after
the prostitutes!? We ALL know that 72 people involved in prostitution are
more dangerous than the thousands with warrants for crimes like burglary,
assault, domestic violence, robbery, attempted homicide, DUI, drugs......
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Nice publicity stunt, but...
As Arpaio publicity stunts go, this prostitution round-up was a fairly good
idea. It had "sex appeal," was conducted during the TV rating "sweeps" period,
and the suspects were paraded in front of cameras at the command center set
up in a shopping mall parking lot. But it is not working out quite the way
the Arpaio publicity team has hoped. Many callers to radio talk-shows were
critical of the manpower intensive operation. Channel 12 covered the event,
but then reported that a survey showed only 3% of citizens thought the Sheriff's
Office should concentrate on prostitution. And then...and this one is really
good...Channel 5 did an I-team report questioning if the Arpaio raids were
really going after the right people, like the pimps and those that bring foreign
girls here and force them into prostitution as indentured servants. The report
concluded with the statement that "other valley law enforcement agencies"
are concerned that Arpaio's "high-profile" actions can interfere with their
on-going (and more serious) investigations. Somebody gets it.
Chan 12 also interviewed a lawyer who said this could lead to a bunch of civil
cases, as it done for "publicity" and little more.
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Joe on KTAR Radio
One of the things Joke harped about how was this was financed by money confiscated
from drug dealers, and not from "public funds".. Seems to me that the "confiscated
funds" had become public funds, when the government confiscated it! Also,
I wonder if the $15,000 or so he talks about is what was passed on to the
"suspects", or includes the cost of all the manpower (pay and benefits). He
showed about $30,000 in money collected at his press conference on the raids,
but was he responsible for $15,000 of it? (did he pay $15,000 to the suspects
so that his people could get naked with them!?)
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What about the 55,000 outstanding warrants that his office does not have the
man power to serve. That would have netted ten times as much or more money.
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I listened to the Preston Westmoreland talk show on KTAR Thur. evening and
again Friday afternoon. He is not your most liberal kind of guy but he was
very much against the raids and said prostitution should be legalized. Of
all the calls that came in the two days I only heard two that were in support
of the raids and they were both cops that preached the attached evils of drugs,
theft, disease and organized crime. (that seems to be a key phrase "organized
crime" don't they realize the best way to get ride of "organized crime" (who
do you girls I see work for?) is to not make it a crime. But back to the point.
Every other caller I heard, including many women, were opposed to chasing
after prostitutes and many felt it should be legal.
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I was listening to KFYI and the majority, of the obviously informed callers,
said they could care less about this stunt and were more concerned about Arpaio
costing the taxpayers millions of dollars. Of course there were still a few
Sun City old fogies that still haven't seen the light and call the Joke a
"hero".
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Excerpt from Editorial from East Valley Tribune:
The question nonetheless arises as to whether beating on prostitutes and their
pathetic clientele (talk about ignorance and being judgmental!) with the hard
hand of state police power is the right way to steer them away from their
squalid commerce. Moreover, there's something more than a bit distasteful
about the evident pride Schneidmiller seemed to take in the extremes to which
his outfit will go in its quest — including allowing deputies to “be nude”
in order to gull their targets into offering sex for a price.
Additionally, in an age of covert warfare by radical Islamic terrorists against
Americans in our cities and open warfare by people-smuggling Mexican “coyotes”
against each other on our freeways, surely there are more pressing priorities
for law enforcement resources than rounding up people engaging in commercial
naughtiness behind closed doors.
Criticism like this editorial and serious questions asked by reporters have
angered Arpaio.I saw him on TV saying that "he should not be criticized, he
should be commended" for the raids. He was visibly upset.
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Soldiers using prostitutes OK with Arpaio?
There was a story on Channel 12 this morning about deputies answering the
phones at houses of prostitution and encouraging customers to "come on over."
When one caller asked if it was OK to bring his buddy that had recently returned
from Iraq, the deputy said "no, don't bring him." When asked about this Arpaio
said "we don't send guys like that to jail." So, only middle and upper class,
civilians should be arrested?
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Sheriff who prostitutes himself for a little publicity
Avoiding a high-speed pursuit of prostitutes
E.J. Montini
Popular Republic columnist
Nov. 16, 2003
The sheriff thought for sure that I would go for the hookers. "I'm telling
you, E.J., I got something coming up this week that you're just going to love,"
Joe Arpaio told me a few days before his big prostitution roundup. "I guarantee
you that you'll be all over this one. You're going to find out what I did,
then you're going to slam me in the paper, and I'm going to have to send you
a pizza."
It's a tradition, the pizza thing. This is a town with few traditions, and
so a few years back the sheriff of Maricopa County decided to start one with
a hack from the local paper. It begins when the sheriff pulls some sort of
ridiculous stunt under the guise of fighting crime or protecting the community,
when the actual purpose is to draw as much media attention to the sheriff
as possible.
Each time, the stunt works beautifully. The sheriff gets on TV. He gets articles
in all of the papers. He gets praised as the toughest sheriff in American
by callers to local talk radio programs and by newspaper letter writers. After
that, I take a moment in print to call a cheap stunt a cheap stunt.
And, finally, the sheriff sends me a pizza. He used to send me a pizza with
anchovies on it, knowing that I don't like anchovies. But over the years (and
given the fact that anchovy pizzas go largely uneaten), the tradition evolved
to the point where the sheriff now includes a note saying that he could have
ordered anchovies but out of the goodness of his heart did not. Often, he'll
also mention something positive about the publicity stunt. For example, the
prostitutes.
On Thursday, the sheriff staged a big roundup of prostitutes and their johns
just in time for sweeps week at all of the local television stations. It generated
lots of coverage and very little news, which is just the way the sheriff likes
it. "So, are you going to slam me?" the sheriff wanted to know.
No. I'm not. Unlike some of the gentlemen caught up in the sheriff's sting
operation, I am not going for the hookers. In part, it's because a better
story is the one about the sheriff who prostitutes himself for a little publicity
and the local media who are his ever-eager johns. But that's not all.
Rather than follow our usual script, I'm choosing to break with tradition
and not "slam" the sheriff. Instead, I've decided to do something that I know
Sheriff Arpaio will REALLY hate: praise him.
Even worse, I'm going to praise him for doing something that he didn't want
to do. A few days before the prostitution busts, Sheriff Arpaio announced
that he was altering his department's car pursuit policy. Up until then, Arpaio
had been a vehement defender of high-speed chases, even those that resulted
in the death of innocent people. After such an incident killed a woman, he
told me, "We have a great policy. I'm not going to back down on our policy.
It's unfortunate what happened, but we have a great policy."
Last week he changed his mind, nudged perhaps by a $17 million notice of claim
filed against the Sheriff's Office after a pursuit accident in January left
two people dead. And perhaps as well - at least I'd like to believe so - by
the words of people such as Liz Rice, whose 23-year-old daughter, Jennifer,
was killed in 1996 when a couple of car thieves fleeing from sheriff's deputies
ran a red light and slammed into her. The new policy restricts high-speed
chases.
"He did it," Liz said the day after the pursuit policy was changed. "He (the
sheriff) was certainly forced into it. But he made the change. That's the
important thing."
Not to Arpaio, of course. I spoke with him about the new rules for pursuit
on the same day that he was dropping hints about the big prostitution bust
that he had planned. "It really bugs me, changing the pursuit policy," he
said. "But what can you do? Sometimes you just have to do things."
Then he switched the subject to hookers. That's what he wanted to talk about.
As far as Arpaio is concerned, it's a matter of priorities. Arresting a bunch
of suspected prostitutes and johns will get a sheriff's face splashed all
over the TV. The only thing that changing a pursuit policy will do is save
a few lives.
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Needed to stop "Moral Decay"
Countywide sex arrests fuel debates
Vice raid attracts national interest
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 15, 2003
A countywide sex raid created national interest Friday as people debated the
wisdom of targeting what many consider a victimless crime. As Maricopa County
Sheriff Joe Arpaio showed off confiscated sex toys, magazines and even an
automated teller machine, a radio show in Illinois talked about Thursday's
raid that nabbed 49 women and 27 men.
Reactions in the Valley were across the board.Many people echoed the sentiment
of Randy Westfall of Peoria: "To have tied up 400 officers on 72 arrests,
for a CRIME that cannot be stopped is living proof Sheriff Joe is overmanned
and has too much money to blow," Westfall wrote in an e-mail. "Next November
can't get here soon enough."
But others felt that Operations "House Call" and "Destiny" were worthwhile.
"As a woman, it's hard to look at is as a victimless crime," said Rebecca
Keller of Phoenix. She said the men were treated "much lighter" by covering
their faces when the media arrived and only being arrested for misdemeanors.
"The clients should be punished just as severely as the prostitutes themselves."
Vice detectives across the Valley scoffed at the notion that law enforcement
agencies shouldn't go after prostitutes and johns. "That's a copout in my
estimation because you're trying to say this isn't a problem," said Phoenix
police Lt. Larry Jacobs, who heads the vice division. "This is a problem.
As soon as you allow prostitution to start occurring, there's a moral decay."
He listed drug abuse, violence from pimps, lower property values and a rise
in burglaries as crimes that move in where prostitution takes hold. Phoenix
has 12 detectives and two sergeants working vice full-time."We do street prostitution
almost on a daily basis. We do customer apprehension programs, which is going
after the johns," Jacobs said. "We do massage parlors undercover." In the
past year, two women working as escorts were murdered, Jacobs said. Six prostitutes
were slain by a serial killer. Many times johns are robbed by the prostitutes,
and many times prostitutes are assaulted, Jacobs said. (Dave notes I wish
they would keep mixing up the world of street hookers with private consenting
adult sexworkers, who don't have pimps, like those victims of the sting where
non of this crap applies! The two murdered escorts may have not been work
related and it not the fault of their profession but of criminals)
Beyond that, the wives of men who visit prostitutes are at risk. "I get the
calls from the wives and how it adversely affects their lives," he said. Some
run into financial troubles, others get diseases brought home by the men.
At a press conference Friday with Arpaio, Correctional Health Services Director
Joe Scalzo said syphilis is a major health problem. He said Maricopa County
ranks second nationally in cases of syphilis being transmitted to unborn children
and ninth nationally in cases of syphilis.
Tests for syphilis
Of those arrested Thursday, 37 women and 12 men were tested for syphilis;
one woman had the sexually transmitted disease.
Some Valley residents questioned whether the resources shouldn't have been
spent on such crimes as homicide, domestic violence, burglaries and drugs.
Others questioned why the Sheriff's Office didn't spend the time on serving
outstanding warrants.
Detectives say every agency has to prioritize resources. In Mesa, the priority
now is neighborhood drug activity, said Cmdr. Steve Toland, who heads the
special investigations unit. The detectives respond to complaints about prostitution
activity or when they notice an increase.
"I would say yes, it's a concern. But it's one where, based on manpower, we
have to look and say, 'What are our priorities,' " Toland said. Detective
Sam Bailey, a spokesman for the Scottsdale Police Department, said that city
doesn't see much prostitution. (No its all private not many street hookers
to "see")
No comparison
Bailey added that local police departments balk at comparisons to the Sheriff's
Office. "He does their thing and we do ours," he said. "It's a crime that
we deal with just like other crimes, but it certainly isn't a homicide, it
isn't like meth labs. That's where we like to devote our resources." Scottsdale
police did crack down on illicit massage parlors this past summer and arrested
at least five women on suspicion of prostitution.
Arpaio on defense
Arpaio, defending the eight-week operation, said his deputies have the highest
rate of meth seizures in the Valley and "outgun" everyone else in murder clearances.
"If you think we're going to surrender and not enforce the law, I've got news
for you," Arpaio said.
Sgt. Randy Force, a Phoenix police spokesman, said people who consider prostitution
a victimless crime are unaware of the sordid reality. "They just picture the
old-fashioned Western brothel where the cowboy saunters up the stairs and
comes down a half-hour later with a smile on his face," Force said. "That's
not the way it works in the real world."
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Write Sheriff Joe at http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=public
IkneadU wrote:
I sent the following to his office (and yes, I gave my name and email account
so he'll know where to find me)
Sheriff, focus on the things that the public has made very clear are most
important to have stopped like murders, rape, gangs, drugs, domestic violence
and all of the many other REAL crimes that ENDANGER and TAKE lives!!!! I know,
this would be a whole lot more dangerous to fight because they may shoot at
you! It's a whole lot safer and easier (and much more fun) to play "trap the
prostitute" because you can get naked, groped and maybe even rubbed if you're
lucky! LOL) You forget that you are a servant of the citizens who elected
you and that you are there to protect us. I don't feel the least bit threatened
by some guy paying a woman for sex. I'm glad that he's getting his needs met
without having to go rape someone and she's able to pay her bills and not
be on welfare. I'm afraid of all of the unsolved murders going on that I hear
we don't have the resources to handle!!! Why on earth would you think that
two consenting adults exchanging sex for money is more important to go after
than murder????
You say that if a law is on the books it should be enforced. When are you
going to enforce the law about possession of more than two dildoes in a household???
I've never heard of you busting anyone for that. How about cutting down cacti?
It's a possible 25 year sentence...when ya gonna send a posse out to protect
those cacti???? After all, the laws ARE 'on the books' ;o)
When you can read the papers and watch the news and never hear about home
invasions, meth labs, beatings, shootings, stabbings, rapes, child abuse or
any other violent or life threatening crimes THEN you can waste our money
and resources on things that shouldn't be a crime to begin with... like the
cacti, dildoes and prostitution.
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SEND COMMENTS TO Maricopa Sheriffs Office Public Comments page at
http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=public
Dave in Phoenix Wrote:
Sheriff Office - Re Prostitution
Many of us in the sex positive community resent your assertions which are
totally untrue of professional, in private consenting adult sexworkers. I
suggest such sexworkers (not street hookers which I am totally against) have
a lower STD rate than the general public, often enhance marriages and provide
a valuable service to a society.
Private consenting adult sexwork is legal in virtually all the world accept
the U.S. See "What countries have legal prostitution?" at http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/whatcountrieslegal.html
The anti-sex laws of the U.S. are based on a religious right agenda that supports
these morality laws, which ironically doesn't even have any biblical basis.
See "Prostitution Is Not a Biblical Conflict" (common prostitution) at http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/christian.html
part of my Decriminalize Prostitution Now Coalition with zillions of articles
about why consenting adult sexwork should be decriminalized at http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/index.html
While I live in Phoenix, I never pay for sexual pleasure or promote anything
illegal. I enjoy the freedoms of Canada where like most of the world individual
rights to sexual pleasure are respected in a culture not run by morality laws
imposed by Christian groups, that have no biblical basis.
I suggest folks seriously study the real issues of PRIVATE professional, honest
sexwork. Private consenting adult sexworkers - those your recent busts were
against are totally in a different world than the public street hooker which
I have never supported unless in special zones as in parts of Europe. I am
upset that you are wasting so much of your resources going after mostly honest
sexworkers that provide a benefit for our culture and again, are legal in
most of the world.
One excuse for the raids was STD's yet only one of all the arrested folks
tested positive. Overall in sexwork, I bet the rate is lower than the STD
rate in the general population. What on earth is any connection to crimes,
guns or domestic violence? Or kids in neighborhoods?
The customers of sexworkers ARE the neighbors, mostly honest law abiding citizens
that seem professional private sexworkers instead of an affair in often unfulfilled
marriages where if the man loves his wife, but needs basic sexual needs and
enjoyment of variety fulfilled. Sexwork saves a lot of marriages that would
otherwise result in affairs! And medically a professional sexworker is far
safer than picking up a "legal" women in a bar and paying for her sexual services
by wining and dining her. Professional private sexwork is safer, more honest
and has many cultural benefits.
Studies have shown the more repressive sexually a culture is the more violent
it is. Clearly this is true. Just look North to Canada where outcall private
prostitution has always been legal (as in most of the world) and has a very
low violent crime rate and very low STD rates amount private sexworkers. I
realize there are other reasons (like strong gun control) but it makes sense
that when sexual energy release is easily available it lowers violence, rape,
sexual abuse etc.
Professional private adult sexwork really is an almost victimless crime. The
only victims are the wonderful sexworkers who are victimized by morality laws
that make no sense.
Go after real criminal that actually hurt people who have nasty guns that
go bang, instead of the risks of chasing women with breasts and warm hearts
that only threaten the morality laws that have no legitimate basis.
Respect the individual rights to privacy, and rights to sexual pleasures "in
pursuit of happiness". There is nothing immoral or terrible about pleasure...even
sexual pleasure..despite the religious right folks who have to impose their
beliefs on others since they can't control and force people to follow their
unreasonable, unbiblical morality traditions other than by repressive laws
that make no sense. Most of the rest of the world long realized that.
It is about time morality laws are changed and certainly not enforced against
these victimless crimes vs real criminals who have victims. Your limited enforcement
resources should be used against real criminals that hurt society.
Thank you for your consideration.
Dave in Phoenix - enjoying and sharing information on legal sexwork in Canada
not the U.S.
dave@davephx.com
Dave in Phoenix
http://www.sexworkniagarafalls.com
http://www.sexworktoronto.com
http://www.sexworkcanada.com
http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.libchrist.com
I also sent the above to New Times Letters at http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/feedback/index.html
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A Phoenix Providers Thoughts:
... my prayers go out to all those who had a run in with Sheriff Joe's attempt
at bad publicity. Just goes to show us all how careful we should be setting
up our friendly meetings. The U.S. has finally stooped so low as to use innocent
people as a ploy to heighten TV ratings and make the sheriff look like he
actually works (we all know the truth behind this).
If any of you get a chance to read E.J. Montini's article in the AZ Republic
today...you should! He has a good point of view, but it really is a damn shame
that no one feels the need to stand up for something that is not hurting anyone.
It always turns into some boo hoo sob story and gets turned around to make
the public think that the woman was always forced into this profession.
I can tell you first hand that I would not be doing this if I did not truly
enjoy making all of you so happy and helping you leave the stress of your
week behind for even just an hour or two out of the demanding work week. The
sheriff and all those out there that keep pushing this issue, need to stop
calling us for relief on their nights off for one and for two they need to
realize that their are much better uses of our tax payers dollars out there
that could be helping this state instead of repressing it and filling our
streets with sex offenders so they can make room at tent city for so called
prostitutes!
Kisses and Hugs to all, Madison
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Posted on the Phoenix Pvt List Board as well as other public boards by Attorney
who is very friendly and List member:
Operation House Call
There were a large number of arrests yesterday due to "Operation House Call"
Some of you may know me, some may not, but several of my clients were caught
up in this sting operation.
I wanted to post to let you know that I am a criminal defense attorney here
in Phoenix, and that the majority of my practice focuses on this industry.
Dave knows me, and has sent people to me for legal help and/or advice.
I know the players on both sides here, and if you, or anyone you know was
caught up in this thing, they really should contact an attorney who knows
what he or she is doing. I know that some felony charges have arisen from
the raids, along with charging not only the girls, but the guys, as well.
It seems that most, if not all, of these arrests were made as the result of
warrants being issued, and served on people at their homes or work. WIthout
providing legal advice, it would seem to me that the first line of defense
would be to look at these warrants to check their validity in the first place.
In any event, if any legal assitance is needed, please feel free to give me
a call at 480-704-5030, and I can hopefully help. Thanks.
Law Office of Robert R. Jung
PO Box 50936
Phoenix, AZ 85076
480-704-5030
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