Massive Madam "Circuit" Bust by FEDS and The Outcry Over
Wasted Resources
8/8/02 Nationwide Escort Bust
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/news/3806228.htm
Dave comments:
Yes we all have heard of the "circuit" bust in the news. Someone I know has
been in contact with me who has the actual indictment. Yes, Phoenix was listed
as one of the cities but only "unknown" persons and doesn't seem anything
is happening regard to any Phoenix connection - because there is no Phoenix
connection as far a we know.
I understand the bust was a personal crusade against "evil" by a Federal Prosecutor
in Miami. During a 60-day period earlier this year, the FBI intercepted more
than 14,000 phone calls. What a huge waste of LE resources to go after wonderful
women who serve mankind in private. Over a million dollars in cash was seized
at the various brothels (nice incalls for private clients) and lots of money
was sent via the mails etc. Since there is no federal prostitution law, the
charges were RICO and Mann Act violations since escorts were exchanged between
Madams across state lines. It appears many of the madams cooperated with the
Feds and set up others to fall by trying to get them to incriminate themselves
on wiretapped lines of the cooperating madams.
Yes make all the headlines and news media. 13 madams etc arrested, millions
seized. But...this money was from adult customers seeking private sexworkers
who were voluntarily choosing to meet the need, charged reasonable fees ($350/hr)
and were so well liked lots of money flowed for a needed private consenting
adult service. It wasn't even drug money, it wasn't stolen money, it was honest
money earned in private where in almost any other country in the world it
would be totally legal and no big issue. A perfect example of victimless morality
crime. And its so much easier to find wonderful sexworkers and chase breasts
than find real criminals that don't have websites or hundreds of grateful
customers giving them money. And real criminals that actually hurt people
usually have those nasty guns that go bang vs soft tender breasts and a nice
smile and touch to lift a man's spirits who is happy to pay for such needed
services that benefit our culture. It is the Feds and other LE that enforce
these morality laws that are "evil" and hurt society.
Yet the hookers on Van Buren on Phoenix and on streets of most cities, often
doing real crime, who are a public nuisance are still there!
"Legalization of Prostitution ?"
A Good overview on the Recent Busts from "jsfox"
Believe it or not posted on : Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry Discussion
Board
August 2002
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I’m a consultant to a few elected folk (both Repubs and Dems - sorry) who
are concerned about 2 areas with regard to current prostitution laws; 1) the
amount of money and resources being spent to prosecute a non-serious and victimless
crime and 2) if the current laws might actually be doing more harm than good
by driving the industry either underground or onto the streets and by protecting
pimps.
Like many I believe that prostitution is both morally wrong and a detriment
to our communities. However, like prohibitions against alcohol earlier in
the 20th century, laws against prostitution have had virtually no impact on
reducing it and likely never will.
Abraham Lincoln once stated: "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause
of temperance....for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts
to control a man's appetite by legislation and make a crime out of things
that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles
upon which our government was founded."
With regard to the two recent investigations:
- Approx 43 investigators from the FBI and local law enforcement were significantly
involved over the 2 plus year period of the 2 investigations
- Costs of the two investigations were approx $5.8 million.
- Costs of prosecution and expected incarceration are estimated to be $6.6
million.
- None of those involved in the investigations were considered victims of
a crime
- All of those involved (prostitutes, customers, and others) were of majority
age and stated that they participated in all activities of their own will
(eg, none were underage, forced, or victimized)
- No victim complaints have been brought by citizens or corporations.
With regard to prostitution
- Prostitution is not illegal in the US, but is controlled by states laws.
- All states except Nevada and Alabama have some type of law against prostitution.
- All European, many Asian and many South American countries allow legalized
prostitution as well as Canada and Israel.
- Approximately 2.2% of US women will, at some point in their lives, engage
in prostitution.
- Approximately 17% of US adult males procure the services of a prostitute
in any given year.
- Approximately 67% of adult males will procure the services of a prostitute
at least once in their lives.
- An estimated 8% of prostitutes operate as streetwalkers, 77% as call-service
(eg escorts or courtesans), and 15% as massage therapists.
- An estimated 13% of prostitutes are in a forced situation and 87% of their
free will.
- There are no indications that there are any higher occurrences of STD’s
within prostitution than in society as a whole.
With regard to current laws
- Are believed ineffective at reducing incidents of prostitution itself or
of controlling less desirable related activities (pimping, streetwalking).
- Disincents prostitutes and customers from reporting criminal acts against
themselves for fear of their own arrest.
- Disincents prostitutes and customers from reporting child prostitution and
similar crimes for fear of their own arrest.
- Increases the need for pimps and their ability to function.
- Drives street activity into neighborhoods where it otherwise would not exist.
- Utilizes law enforcement and prosecutorial resources that might be better
directed towards more serious crimes.
- Eliminates the ‘escape route’ for prostitutes to move on to other careers
due to having a criminal record.
- Creates criminals out of otherwise respected and law abiding members of
many communities without the commission of a crime against a victim.
Pro-Criminal Positions
- Prostitution is immoral.
- Prostitution has a lasting negative impact on the prostitutes, especially
those forced into it against their will.
- Prostitution is a contributor to the high divorce rate in the US.
- Prostitution is a blight on many neighborhoods, especially in larger cities.
- Prostitution contributes to the spread of STD’s.
Pro-Legal Positions
- Assist in reducing and/or eliminating child prostitution.
- Reduce the amount of street prostitution and pimping by providing a legal
alternative.
- Provide for a future escape-route for prostitutes by removing criminal aspect
of their career.
- Reduce the incidents of serious crimes against prostitutes and customers
that currently go unreported.
- Provide for a safer and better environment for prostitutes including allowing
them to obtain medical insurance and other typical employment benefits that
currently must be covered by state and federal agencies.
- Reduce the general incidents of rape and related activities by providing
a legal alternative for sexual release. An estimated 32% of rapes are violence
based (vs purely sexual) and would not be impacted by this.
- Prostitutes are more cautious with regard to protection from STD’s and therefore
help reduce the spread of STD’s
- It’s a victimless crime.
- Provide additional tax revenue.
- Current laws are not effective, we need to try a different approach.
Other good public board comments of the "circuit bust"
To know that at a time when our news is full of stories about children being
abducted (right out of their homes) and harmed in the most terrible of ways
that our wonderful LE officials are instead spending hundreds upon hundreds
of man-hours looking into prostitution? That at a time when our nation faces
terrorism right on our own soil that the legal officials would rather concern
themselves with who is boinking whom?
Personally, I hope that someone on Capitol Hill starts raising that question.
Granted, prostitution is illegal. We are all aware of that ... so is jaywalking,
running a stop light and driving with an expired decal.
However, it seems to me that murder, rape, kidnapping and terror related crimes
have a more pressing need to be addressed. At least imho .........
You know, when I grew up there were always 'hookers' standing on the street
corners and in front of various public establishments and I have to admit
that the vision was not always the best for families with young children touring
a new city. Of course they are still there .... in far lessor numbers though
(and I am not trying to be insensitive or crude here).
The point is that with the advent of the escort scene going to the privacy
of the internet, one has to realize that the 'hobby' has become far less publically
visible and in all reality far safer for all parties concerned.
I feel it is a huge waste of resources and time to investigate these activities.
If that level of effort were placed into areas of true national crisis instead,
our nation would be more secure and far better off. And perhaps, just perhaps,
there would be a few certain children from several states still in their homes
with their families and perhaps, just perhaps, there would be several thousand
Americans still working at the World Trade Center. Maybe we could have already
wiped out terrorism and our sailors and soldiers would be able to come home.
Possibly thousands of Americans would still have their IRA's and pensions
intact if efforts were directed to corporate fraud instead of directed at
persons with 'defective monogamy glands'. Something is terribly wrong here
........... but then again, it IS far safer to go after a man with a d*&#
in his hand as opposed to going after a person with a gun or a bomb in theirs.
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For the most part, there are plenty of politicians that take part in this
'hobbying", if you will. Remember that politicians are in office to represent
the people of their town, city, state, etc. I guarantee you that, at the forefront
of the average politician's mind, is not how to rid the nation of prostitution.
It is however to get re-elected again and again. Politicians react by making
laws, creating task forces etc. based on your friends, family, church members
and neighbors and how they envision their world to be. The squeaky wheel gets
the grease and there are some VERY vocal people out there who have nothing
better to do than concern themselves with other people's sex lives. And since
prostitution IS illegal and if you're married, immoral, you won't have many
special interest groups representing that sector coming forth to lobby their
local politicians.
But you do see plenty of people that lobby for marijuana (medicinal or non)
to be legalized etc. Is there something about prostitution that it's purveyors
don't want to publicize? OF COURSE! Most are married, so they know it's morally
wrong and illegal. Sure we all speed and know it's illegal. That's why we
buy radar detectors. Those who engage in other illegal activities take the
necessary precautions to ensure they don't get caught. And in the meantime,
there are people that do lobby to raise the speed limits. If you can't come
forth in public and say that you think something should be legalized, then
you really don't feel THAT strongly about it. Sure you can vent about how
frustrating it is that LE is doing their job and enforcing laws that we as
Americans voted for, but don?t then go and blame a politician for you not
being able to do it! Especially when prostitution was made illegal well before
a lot of politicians that are in office were even born.
This is unfortunately what comes with the price of freedom. We, as Americans,
have the ability to do what we want and that unfortunately grants others,
the freedom to stick their noses in and say that we shouldn't be doing this
or that. That my friends is our society, not run by politicians but by us
(the common man and special interest groups). So don't hate your elected officials,
hate your neighbor, the guy who bags your groceries, your Sunday school teacher
or the Christian Movement. Because they're the ones that are impacting your
freedoms, not your local politician. And if you really want to make a change,
send your opinions to a local politician anonymously, not a board on which
everyone agrees with your stance, where you won't make a difference.
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....Those topics are not nearly as sensational as SEX! For the mass media,
sex sells.... always has, always will. And don't think for one second that
the politicians (national and local) aren't well aware of that! As you so
succinctly nailed it... it's far easier to go after a man with a d*&# in his
hand and it sells more papers, too!
The hypocrisy of our elected officials has always been a sore spot with me
and I thought as I got older that I'd be able to let go of that anger. But
you know what? It still pisses me off just as much as it did 20 years ago.
The real irony is that if prostitution is illegal in this country, then why
are so many politicians and corporate executives (frauds) not behind bars?
They've done far more damage to the "fabric of our society" than any escort,
streetwalker, or incall establishment!!!!!
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Our dinosaur judicial system is appalling. Not sure about the "logic" behind
the escort witch hunt in the US. But scrambling to keep morales in check is
definately the least of our problems in this world. We are not immune to war
& starvation in our lifetime.
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