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Pattaya Beer Bars, Freelancers, Gogos, Massage,
Scams & Crime Reports
While Bangkok has lots of Gogo bars, as well as many beer
bars, Pattaya has fewer gogo bars and many more beer bars. In Pattaya there are
freelancers all over the streets, along the beach and walking the sois. Also
there are zillions of massage places both for traditional Thai massage and the
erotic/sexual body massages meaning her whole body is massaging you not just her
Beer bars are usually open-air bars with scads of hostesses who can
be barfined short term which is usually for 2 hours. Some of the bars have their
own rooms to use. As in Bangkok the girl doesnt get any of the barfine, but
gets a small commission from lady drinks and all of her own fee, typically 1000B
or less for short-term. This 1000B is a huge amount for the girl, compared to
her salary and drink commissions. That is why they are often quite aggressive
and keep saying "bar fine?" In Pattaya however, they bar girls seem
less aggressive than in many of the Bangkok bars. I dont personally care much
for the beer bars, since Id prefer to be inside in air conditioning and have
a more structured experience mainly because of the language barrier. However if
you speak some Thai, and dont mind the heat/humidity, the beer gardens are
more relaxed and often more laid back with less barfine pressure than the gogos.
There are many gogos in Pattaya with many of them along the
"Golden mile" on the south side. As in Bangkok, some of shows of
various kinds, while in others the girls just stand and twist, shake and giggle
on stage. I saw quite a few nude dancers but I understand that is technically
illegal but enforcement isnt very strict.
At one of the gogos near the Eastiny I even say a nude
dancer in the lap of a customer who was carressing her breasts etc. I wish I had
been so lucky! Reminds me of how it use to be at the Alaskan Bush Company in
Phoenix, but not any more with new, very restrictive laws where hugging a dancer
even with clothes on is illegal because those dirty sexy breasts even if clothed
cant touch a man even clothed body. This is somehow supposed to make
neighborhoods safer and protect the children. That is the stupid mentality over
sexuality in the U.S.! It is much better to have lots of sexually frustrated men
than happy, sexually satisfied men in the U.S. And the religious right and
politicians want to be sure to control morality since they know what is best
their repressive sexuality teachings.
FreelancersOften a "freelancer" on the street will run up to be and
hug me and almost beg for me to sit with her and talk (which is hard with the
language barrier) or may be direct and say ""I
want to go make boom-boom in my loom for 400 baht." Sometime I had a
hard time getting rid of them by just saying no! Since they are not associated
with a bar, there is no barfine so the package for short-term may cost much less
since there is no barfine to pay.
HOWEVER, it is very risky to pick up a freelancer since these
are the girls most likely to scam you, rob you or give you a drink to make you
pass out to rob you, or even have knock out drugs on their tits that they ask
you to suck.
If you are in a hotel that requires registration and the ID
for any guests guest, this can help. All legitimate girls have IDs that
every person in Thailand has. Many men think it is a hassle and dont like the
idea of hotels requiring IDs of guests. But this requirement is for your
protection because of the scams and thefts that do occur. Most of the nicer
hotels require IDs. Most dont charge you any more for a guest, even if
overnight, but most do require her to register and the security guard wont
let her in to the hotel with you unless she does.
This ID policy is partially the result of lawsuits against hotels. At one higher
class hotel, Khun Somsak the manager is reported to have said they had a rash of
druggings and passed out customers who awoke to find stuff missing. Some sued
the hotel causing all sorts of legal problems. Some were GIs visiting for
Cobra Gold exercises, and this created major problems for the hotels. Since the
new requirement to provide IDs there have not been any incidents.
Traditional Thai massage for a complete massage typically takes 2
hours. It is non-sexual. You may even have to wear pajamas and its is done on a
mat.. The costs is typically only 100-200B/hour.
There are also many body/body massage places where
the women's naked body massages you and where "special
massage" (i.e. sex which usually includes oral, hand and vaginal
"massage" of your most erotic body parts!) is easily available from
very willing beautiful women who have none of the hang-ups about nudity that
American massage women have. Cost is often 1000-2000B for everything, quite
similar to lower cost but good places such as Annies in Bangkok.
In the picture, the girls in yellow are
"superstars" which cost a little more than just "normal"
The Marine Disco is most like the Thermae or Nana Disco in Bangkok.
It is the place to go after 2:00 am when all of the bars close.. Drinks are
expensive here even for my diet cokes! Like the two places in Bangkok there is a
great variety of girls and customers here. And like in Bangkok, sometimes its
the girls with STDs or AIDS that cant work in the bars that may also be
here along with bargirls coming back from a short-term, or those that didnt
get bought out when their bar was open.
Pattaya overall History, trends and warnings of scams
Recent TrendsIn 1999 the general trend that has been reported is ever increasing
numbers of bars. I understand in the usually slow season of Jun-Aug, 1999
business has not been as bad as in other years. Because of the economic problems
in Thailand, more girls than ever seem to pour into Pattaya and more and more
new bars open. This seems really amazing to me, since in September while still
in low season, I think business is supposed to be picking up the bars and
streets are swamped with girls, all competing for the few customers. The baht
buses (they only cost 5 baht) are mostly empty and scads of empty ones like the
streets waiting for customers.
Beer bar prices, I understand are stable and remain low
compared to Bangkok. Short-term bar fines run about 200B and 500 for the women.
Gogo bars are higher and comparable to the low end in Bangkok with bar fines of
400-500 and short time (about 2 hours I assume) 1000 ($US26) for the girl.
Short-time is much more common here, as in Bangkok than long-time (all night).
Drugs & ViolenceIt has been reported that drug use is quite high by girls in their
early 20s. Older women dont seem to use nearly as much, nor approve of its
use. The drug of choice seems to be Yaa Baa (an amphetamine). The result often
is increasing thefts from customers and violence.
As I discuss related to the Nana Plaza incident at Rainbow
bar, all of Thailand is relatively safe compared to the U.S. Bar fights are rare
compare again to in the U.S. But it seems to be the increase in violence is
mostly caused by the Thais fighting more not the foreigners, even drunken
How the Girls Scam many Men from afarIt is quite common for a farang (Foreign Caucasian tourist) who is
lonely and "falls in love" with a Thail bargirl try to have the
bargirl stop working due to his jealousy and he offers to pay her support.
Many bargirls get lots of farangs at a time to provide her
support and they all think they are her only boyfriend. Often the farang buys
her a cell phone so he can keep in touch with her (and check up on her)
sometimes daily. It is common to see a bargirl have to jump off a customers lap
when her cell phone light goes on and run out of the bar to talk to one of her
supporters where it is quiet so she can say she no longer works in a bar, thanks
to his support.
A good exempla (from BKK but it is also common in Pattaya) of
this is a post on 9/16/99 from "Mel"
Last time I was in the nana hotel lobby I saw a girl receive such a call in the
lobby where she set looking for customers-she asked the caller where the 10000
baht she needed was-she said she had checked her atm and it was not there
yet-she then told the caller she needed a big house and a car to become his full
time tilac-after the call was over her and her girl friend-an older woman at the
pre mamasan stage had an intense rehash of the conversation in which thye were
obviously pondering how best to play the farang .
In Pattaya it is reported that many of these supporters are
U.S. military men who fall in love with the girl on their R&R leave in
& Some Very Unhappy Customers !!!
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