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Update January 2009 -New Adult Thailand Book - Really Great
"Nightcrawler's Guide to Thai Nightlife"

A few weeks ago I received a short note from "nightcrawler" he was sending me his book and thanked me for how helpful my Thailand trip report was at http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/contents.html  - even though my trip report was from 1999.

I received and started reading the book and in reading the first 100 pages (one-third) it is fabulous. Very specific about different options and gogo clubs, writer says has 25 years of experience in Thailand and favors like I did, Pattaya over Bangkok. I was reading his section about the legal issues - special services at entertainment places, the various prostitution laws etc and wondered hmm... this is exactly what I said - then read the footnote listing and acknowledging my site.

I am putting a recommendation of the book on top of my report - nothing that much has changed but his details certainly are valuable to update my old reports. The cost of the book is $21.95 and can be ordered via http://www.mayflypubs.com/book.php 

Makes me want to return myself sometime, although can't afford now. The gals are very inexpensive around $US35-70 for ALL NIGHT and "short time" less. Nice hotels also are cheap in $US but the airfare and the 24 hour flight makes Canada more practical for me! I also tend to prefer the tall, slender European gals so common in Canada vs the short Asians. It would be even nicer to find gals in Phoenix other than the high costs! Yet someday I would enjoy returning to the "Land of Smiles"

Out of curiosity I did fast check on airfares Phoenix to Bangkok - my gosh in 1999 it was less than $1000 on Eve Air's Evergreen Deluxe with nice big seats and lots of space in the front of the plane with stopover in Taipei. Now their regular tiny seat coach fare is about $2600-2800 per Priceline etc.. Not sure with my 6-2 body I want to stand being in a small coach seat that long. In 1999 my nice Evergreen Deluxe seat was only about $200 more than coach. But then I went to the Eva Air site and priced a trip over Memorial Day weeks and Evergreen Deluxe came out to "only" $1891 - still too expensive but odd is so much lower than others are quoting although it might be seasonal difference since we are now in high season with their best weather and I used a January date on Priceline..

August 2006 Update:
Thailand Child Prostitution and Trafficking - International Justice Mission (IJM) - BIll Gates Support
First the IJM said they were combating child prostitution. When it became apparent to everyone that child prostitutes are quite rare, they jumped on this trafficking bandwagon. Once it becomes obvious that sex slaves are even less common than child prostitutes, what will be their next excuse to get grant money from the US government?

The girls unfurl a banner with a photo of Burmese sex workers being abducted from Thai brothels to illustrate that one of the organizations (the International Justice Mission, or IJM) Bill and Melinda have aligned themselves with is bad news. Khartini Slamah, a Malaysian transsexual activist, elbows past the press and says, "You're dumping your money in the wrong place" upon which Bill and Melinda are whooshed away, all in under two minutes.

To be fair, the Gates have given money to some awesome sex-worker organizations in India, but the IJM is described by Andrew Hunter from the Asian Pacific Network of Sex Workers as "rabidly fundamentalist." He talks about the "rescue and repatriation" tactics of the IJM. After kidnapping sex workers with the help of the local constabulary, they incarcerate them, then force them back to their native countries, one of which is Burma, a military state that a lot of women leave expressly because it's a military state. Sometimes they just plop the women somewhere halfway and they are left with the dangerous and expensive task of returning themselves. This is all done under the auspices of anti-trafficking (oddly, using the same methods as traffickers), though many of these sex workers are not trafficked.

Source: Woodhullfoundation mailing list

 

Lets look at this common attack: They say,
"In countries such as Thailand, child sexual exploitation builds on a long-standing and vast prostitution industry, and thrives where law enforcement is weak or corrupt. That sex with young teens is not a strong taboo in some Asian cultures makes fighting the problem even more difficult."

Let's see. "Young girls working in local brothels bringing in family income" has been for centuries normal and often honored by the monks in the local communities. But now its called "child exploitation" by Western moralists trying to impose their values on Thai culture. They need to "fight the problem" that its not a strong taboo in the culture. Maybe the "problem" is the Western moralists trying to impose their morality on a Buddhist culture that doesn't accept their sex negative attitudes. Much of this is Christian fundamentalist based - ignoring that in biblical times an arranged marriage at 12-13 yrs old based on a family deal was the accepted norm. Today puberty is reached earlier and now its child sexual exploitation?

Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B.E. 2539 (1996) passed due to Western morality pressure making prostitution illegal but it did not revoke The Entertainment Places Act of 1966 that exempts special services at Entertainment Places which is all the gogo bars, massages places etc where Westerners usually go. They protected the vast amount of income going to adult women to help support their children, their parents and Grandparents often in poverty in rural Thailand by making the vast consenting adult "prostitution" businesses open to foreign visitors legally bringing in millions of dollars/baht to support usually impoverished women and their children.

As a Western visitor the child thing is totally mind blowing to me. With severe penalties for owners of Entertainment Places to hire them and when I was there I didn't see any children as far as I know. I was active on many Thai sex tourist boards and I never read a word about anyone seeking under aged girls. Many guys wanted to be sure to avoid accidentally being picked up by one. The advice is to avoid the street or beach gals that solicit you and stay with the Entertainment Places where the owners risk prison and huge fines if they hire anyone under aged.

It is not surprising that the "corrupt" Thai police don't go out busting the local usually rural Thai brothels which few foreigners would ever find. Why enforce a law forced on a culture by outside moralists against what has for centuries been a normal part of Thai culture just to please another foreign culture that has no business imposing its morality on the Thai people in the first place.
 

March 2006: Pleasure Tours to Thailand and Philippines Under New Federal Legislation
Discussion and Specific Tour Recommendation

October 2004 Update: Condoms and Comedy to the Rescue in Thailand

Thailand Intimacy & Healthy (Adult) Sexuality Research Reportthailand

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I have divided this report into two sections.  The first section includes a great deal of research regarding Thailand, its culture, attitudes toward sexwork and tourist information on Bangkok, Pattaya and other cities. If you strongly disagree with any of the research or want to express your feelings let me know and I may include your comments. This is especially true if you are Thai or a more frequent traveler to Thailand as this report is based on my research but only as a first time visitor to the Kingdom in 1999.

The second section is my travelogue detailing my experiences as a first time new visitor, based on my particular interests which is intimate sensuality and caring for people not just the typical raw sex interests of some visitors to Thailand's adult entertainment industry.  I even share my bumbling mistakes as a first time tourist in hopes such problems might of interest and avoided by others!

NOTE: I am not promoting any form of sex tourism, and have absolutely no financial interest in nor do I benefit financially in any way as the result of my research.  Note that prostitution is not legal in Thailand (But "special services" and having girlfriends is). I do not promote any non-legal activities and respect those Thai's that resent their beautiful country being thought of as a sex tourist attraction.  There are many wonderful other activities in Thailand and many Thai women have absolutely no interest in sexwork. I also abhor child prostitution which is simply not usually found in the tourist areas. But I discuss all of these issues quoting from many sources FROM WITHIN THAILAND.

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February 3, 2003 Thailand Trip Report
Updating my now old report (see Link)

Update 2/20/02 Thailand bans lone women from bars in sex trade crackdown

BANGKOK, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Thai police are clamping down on lone women with a law to keep them from entering bars unless accompanied by a man, starting with Valentine's Day.

The clampdown comes amid a controversial social order campaign by the government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and has angered women's rights activists who say the law is outdated and impossible to implement fairly.

Police in the Thai capital Bangkok have sent a letter to owners of entertainment venues setting out existing regulations and reactivating a 40-year-old law aimed at curbing prostitution.

"We're looking on a case-by-case basis, but at some bars and discos, if we think something will happen with women by themselves, we'll give a warning," police spokesman Pongsapat Pongcharoen told Reuters.

"We're looking at the bars which have women going in to get men customers and going out to have sex," he said.

Dave notes: "Special Services" by employees of "Entertainment Places" are exempt from the prostitution law. But a women coming into a bar not working for the bar of strip club is not covered by the prostitution exemption. They has been lots of talk about crackdowns as the "social order" campaign of the new PM is very controversial and probably due to Western pressure again to impose Western morality on a far different culture where sexuality in Buddhism is just normal and natural.. not the sin of Christian traditions in the West (that have no true biblical basis).

Other comments:
Women in bars alone means competition (and no bar fine) for the employees of the bar. That all by itself has been enough to cause all sorts of problems. There are lots of bars/lounges/beer gardens that encourage single women/free lancers to lounge around...

Closing times as of mid January were still 2 AM. These closing times apply to all bars all over Bangkok, and not just those around the sex industry. There are policing problems surrounding late night bar closing times that could also be part of the thinking behind the earlier closing times.

Re the imposition of western views of morality generally, I would say the stronger influence would be more local views on this from Singapore and Malaysia...

There is a clear discomfort with some of the "indiscreet" farang oriented bars. As Thailand moves more into the big leagues of tourism, the image so many have of this place starts to bother people - not surprisingly. There are no doubt people in the government and elsewhere who take a stern moral take on all this, but most people would probably be happy to just see the excesses cleaned up a bit...

Research Information

Dave's Travelogue

Brief Introduction to Thailand
Keep Passport On You?
Dealing with the Police
& Non-sexual Links of Interest

Flight to Bangkok Adventures

Origin of the world "Farang"
Women Walking Safely in Bangkok

Omni Tower Hotel & Related Rambling Tourist Thoughts & Pictures

Thai sexwork is more "Girlfriend Rental" which is so much more enjoyable to many men than Western transaction oriented prostitution

Go-Go Bars for Meeting Women Overview
My Preferences & Availability in Bangkok

Thai Language & Do's & Don'ts
Getting Along in Thailand & Littering Fines

Nana Plaza Great Place But Also Scams At Rainbow bars With Picture Gallery

Highlights From:
Fielding's Travel Guide
on Sex Tourists in Thailand

Dumb Dave's LONG Walk to Soi Cowboy
 Getting Across Sukhumvit & Elephant Dangers

 Thailand’s Long Tradition of Prostitution
Modern Attitude Shifts vs. Huge Economic Benefits 

Soi Cowboy Go Go's

 The Influence Of Thai Buddhism
on Prostitution
Traditional Acceptance / Encouragement vs. Modern Reform Views

Those WONDERFUL Thai
Body Massages ! 
Annie's Experience

 2 hours of all kinds of sensuality which was really great  Nothing like it in the U.S.

Child Prostitution; Thailand Traditions vs. Western Moral Values

Buckskin Joes, Beergarden &
Massage At Omni Hotel

LEGAL STATUS OF PROSTITUTION - The Creative Law to bow to Outside Pressure Yet Preserve Traditions and Economic Advantages to Families

Grace Hotel Great People Watching

Foreign "Girlfriend sex" vs. U.S. Sexworkers Newsgroup Discussion

Internet Connection Experiences & Tips

When to visit Thailand
The Pros and Cons of Different Seasons

Taxi Discussion Metered vs. Haggle &
Discussions On Saving Taxi Fare At Bangkok Airport

AIDS & HIV Risks In Thailand
Declining and not as Bad as you think!
Simply Always Use A Condom !

Katoeys - "Lady Boys"
A Big Difference Between A Transsexual and A Transvestite

Today's Thai Culture of Face and Shame
Modern Thai Sexual Culture

Yep, Dave Meets a Katoey
For the Sake of Research of course!

Buddhism and Thai Society

Cabby gets lost Going To Pattaya
Dave’s adventures continue

Bargirls Using Inhalers &
Why Bargirls Take So Many Showers !

Dave’s Pattaya Explorations
As a first time tourist & Baht Bus Photos

Tourist Police

Eastiny Inn Very Detailed Review & Dave's Picture Gallery

Thailand Currency &
Avoid Tap Water But Ice in Bars
Should Be Fine

Old Dave gets lost again…in Pattaya!
Cats A Go-Go, Siam Bayshore Adventure & Black Out Go-Go

Patpong Sex shows and Rip-offs

Searching for Baht in Pattaya
Need more Internet Time
Shopping Central Pattaya Mall

The Thermae Coffee House

Dave's Photo Gallery of Soi 8 Beer Bar examples, Beach Road and Beach Scenes around Soi 8

Pattaya: The City & Geography

Friday Night's Happy Pattaya Adventures
Soi 8 Beer Bars-Bubbles Gogo - Carousel Gogo
Freelancer Bar - Paradise Gogo

Pattaya Beer Bars, Freelancers
Gogo’s, Massage, Drugs,Scams
& Crime

Body/Body Massage &
No Pattaya Night Adventure

Checking ID's of Guest Issues &
Why Thai Ladies Like Foreign Men

From Pattaya back to Bangkok
Eastiny Inn checkout

When The Navy Visits Pattaya Discussion

Majestic Suites Hotel in Bangkok

Link to wonderful other Thai Attractions including Koh Samui, Chiang Mai, Suratthani,| Chumphon , Khanom , Krabi & PhiPhi , River Kwai  

The Last Barfine in Thailand - the Best !
Beverly Hills At Nana Plaza

News Articles of Interest
Bangkok & Rural Thailand
Pattaya News Items

Just Avoided Earthquake
Bangkok - Phoenix Travel

Thai Music  

Reactions To My Daily Report Posting From My Laptop in Hotels

Newspapers
The Nation Thailand's Daily Independent
The Bangkok Post

Pattaya Mail

Thailand vs.the Philippines
The Pros and Cons for Me

Thai Attitudes Towards Infidelity

Best Thai  Related link listings

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Excellent Info with many Pattaya Links

The Stickman's guide to Bangkok
Prostitution in Thailand and great info on gals with photos of popular bars etc.

Welcome to the Thailand of Escati
Non-sex related with lots of Thailand information on people, culture & activities

The Story of Noi
Typical of a Thai bargirl
 

Later Thailand Reviews of Others

Review of sexwork in Jakarta Indonesia - Less known but seems very interesting, less expensive but similar to Thailand