David Elms

 TER (The Erotic Review) is A Disgrace to Sexworkers

By Dave in Phoenix
Promoting dignity and honestly in professional sexwork as a healthy, honorable profession

Why do so many providers support TER a disgrace to the industry? Because they make money off it obviously regardless of concerns about promoting dishonestly - TER Dave makes huge $ from his games and pimping, and by spending huge amounts for ads, including in New Times locally a well as Playboy nationally generates lots of participants in his board enabling him to make lots of money and continue to be a disgrace to the industry by his pimp behavior and abuse of escorts.  These are the reasons folks are so upset with TER (sample posts from providers sharing are below)

1) Insistence on solving any dreamed up problem by coming to his home in LA and giving him free sex.  He often tells Phoenix Providers how cheap it is the only cost to THEM is airfare to meet him for free sex.   On the other hand, it seems many providers are happy to "service" him because they get so much business from TER.  However their are many others that believe this was extortion and want to expose this abuse.

2) Many fake reviews in order to get free membership.

3) Requirements for "juiced up" reviews or are not accepted.  Many reviews have to be juiced up by saying the provider did something she refuses to do. Than others call and expect the same services.  This is abusing women by a policy where "ratings" are made based on unsafe acts many women refuse to do.  To get highest ratings unsafe sex has to be included in the review, and often it didn't happen since the provider his concerned about her sexual health.

When TER first started I submitted reviews but they were never juicy enough.  My interests are more in the intimacy side than how many risky sex acts are performed.  By type of reviews are highly praised on other boards, especially in Canada where I spent alot of time in the Summer escaping from the Phoenix heat. I prefer Canada since no legal issues, far more reasonable prices and again no legal issues.

I get attacked and get lots of TER supporters upset because for over 10 years I have been dedicated to honestly and integrity in the industry - the opposite of TER Dave.

Sample of many E-mails this week in support of exposing David Elms of TER
David Elms 6/23/08
I have been in the adult industry for over 10 years and during the last 5 years I have been a private entertainer. In light of the recent article about the arrest of David Elms I totally applaud the arrest. I find it very unfortunate that in this day and age the life of a woman and her treatment are so easily disregarded. I was highly disturbed that no further charges where made agains Elms for extorting and rapping the lady in the article at gun point. I feel Elms is getting everthing he deserves.

No one should be treated like that. I personally am tired of The Erotic Review, because it does not give fair assessments of the quality of ladies that provide entertainment to gentmen. Many of the reviews have been inflated of the ladies that have either given free sessions or engaged in unprotected sex acts with Elms and his moderators.

The site orginally started out as a good thing and then turned into a living nightmare for many ladies. This site allowed many guys to manipulate providers into giving away time or performing sex acts they did not want to do to recieve good reviews. For the many ladies that decided to take a stance of not being drawn into such slavery it meant having lies spread about you that where not true.

At one point I had several good reviews on the site and then they where removed when I refused to allow a poster to spread lies about my disclosing a clients personal business. Then a client tried to stick up for me and he was banned for the site. They went on to make it seem as if the client was me and that I had been self posting my reviews and that the client defending me was also me when it was not.

Prior to this incident I had several clients state that they had completed good reviews for me and they where never posted. Other clients claim that they gave higher ratings for my service and that the ratings had been changed when posted. The whole thing is simpy a scam.

In addition to this the guys pay monthly fees to see the full reviews that may or may not be true. Inflated reviews provide a false expectation for clients and cause them to potentiallly select providers that may have less quality of service then a povider that could be better, but has been blacklisted by TER

What started out as a good thing has quickly turned into a complete mess. In an underworld with basiclly no rules a few men have disrupted a process for woman to make a means to an end. It has been filled with men who feel they have the power to control women when in a normal situation they would not. I think that once TER is gone the private entertainment business will be a better place for women to be treated with respect without the threat of extortions and rape to run a good business. May TER and David Elms burn in hell.
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From a Companion: 6/08
I made several horrible trips to see David Elms; had to endure spending the night with him while he smoked crack; and made me perform sexual acts in order to get my TER profile put back up several times after it being taken down for nonsense reasons he made up. The last time, he tried telling me I needed to pay a "fine" of $7500 He told me I needed to pay it by a deadline of October 1. October 1 came and went, and I never heard from him. I am not sure if he forgot or what. But I have been in a constant state of fear of hearing from him looking for "his" money.

I am extremely agitated by this whole situation, as I am an educated woman. Then, last winter - I got a message from a moderator of TER (who doesn't know of my involvement with Dave) implying that I need to give him a free appointment or he will moderate me on the boards. I'm sick and tired of these uneducated men bullying me, and will definitely talk to the reporter about my experiences.

I am so sick of the fucking men in this business taking advantage of and disrespecting the women.

I was approached by TER Dave when I was working in Mesa back in 2001, He started talking in a black mailing kind of manner. That didn't scare me at all in fact I got right back in his face, I told him I don't have to play your game, and if you try and strong arm me I'll pick the phone up and call my friends in Las Vegas do we understand each other...He never bothered me again..

6/8/08 Elm's Abuse from a DC Companion
First, thank you for your long on-going attempts to bring the evils of Elms to light. It is difficult for most the women to feel they have any hope at all of standing up to him.

I have sent copies of your postings and articles to a number of providers and former providers I know. I have encouraged several of them to contact you to provide their side of how Elms ruins lives. There is one I think may write to you, but the reality is most will not seriously consider it.

Two were clasic Elms victimes: great reviews, good people, too young and too trusting. He "invites" them to see him in CA, they decline. Almost at once trash reviews show up, good reviews get removed.

Then another call saying they should reconsider going to see him. One doesn't, changes her name and all her info, and does OK. The other flies from DC to LA to see him, has sex with his wife/GF, and then Elms tells her he'll "think about it" but she should come back next month. She finally wises up and doesn't make the second trip. Within a week she gets banned for "fake self reviews". A guy writes in and says "That wasn't fake, it was my review" and gets banned for being her in disguise.

Part of their reluctance is still fear of Elms and his flunkeys. Most the women I know are in DC, and the DC TER mods are 100% Elm lackeys. They feel it is their duty to carry out Elms’ orders with gusto and enthusiasm. They have been very brutal in dealing with anyone who posts anything counter-party-line. Women who have gotten crosswise with Elms fear the DC mods as much or more than they fear Elms directly.

6/8/08 A Companion from the South as a TER Victim:
I am a provider in the South and have been victim to Dave's tactics.
I use to have two pages of flawless reviews because I, unlike some, actually "worked" for them. None of my reviews had to be fluffed to get printed because I actually delivered a pse date everytime. Many of my reviewers were banned and had reviews pulled because they were not dishing out the money. I later found out that if I gave money as membership every month that my reviews would be allowed by non paying members.

I began sending in a little each month because in my mind it was just good marketing. If reviews made me money and I make x amount of dollars each time a new review was written, it was the same as paying eros.com for advertising.

Pretty soon the money was not enough and as usual Dave tries to claim that the reviews were self written in order to get more money. If my reviews were self written, why wasen't my ENTIRE profile deleted like the rules say it would be. I will tell you why..because he wanted more money.

I just told everyone to start reviewing me on TBD but I don't get any business from the site so it is pointless.

TER's whole system is flawed and favors are given to his favorites and not to those of us who are actually doing our job and providing a good service. In states in their rules that in order for a girl to get a 10, she must perfrom three of the following. kissing with tongue, bbbj, greek, two girls, or two guys, but you will notice that half of the 10's thrown out are to girls who are screwing dave or giving him money. I have had to actually tell my reviewers to complain about this each time my score was lowered because I EARNED my 10's unlike some.

I would be happy to talk to the reporter and make sure this scum pays for his actions.

My dad is DEA if you can believe that so this is all too amusing to me. Pay back certainly is a bitch isin't it!!

6/8/08 From Phoenix long-time Companion
I read the extensive research and posts about Dave TER, he is where he belongs. I myself wrote to you when I was first in the business about him blackmailing me, xxxxx and xxxx. I was the least guilty of the parties, ignorance is not always a good reason. However; I would be happy to tell you the story if you are interested, xxx flew to LA and did an overnite, xxxxxxx sent xxxxxx and I told him to fuck himself.

Anything I can do to help, let me know, I will! You know I found you to be a man I trust and would never doubt, Dave (Elms) is a sick, demented man. I feel I owe these girls my help to prevent this from happening further.

Updated 6/8/08 David Elms of TER now IN JAIL
David Elms was arrested on a felony charge and booked into South Bay/Torrence Lockup 6/4/08 at 10:41AM
He was than transferred to Los Angeles Men's Central Jail on 6/5/08 at 20:33.
He is allowed visitors
There is no bail
His court date is 7/1/08 which is the same date he already was scheduled to appear for a parole violation of a felony conviction related to drugs and guns.
Case Number YA06435401
Booking No.: 1497328
Source: The Los Angeles County Sheriffs Dept.
There is a great deal going on - I am working with a well known national newspaper who is carefully preparing a major story on Dave Elm's abuse of providers. See more details in earlier posts below.

6/1/08 Major U.S. Newspaper plans to Expose David Elms of TER
While in Toronto I was contacted by a xxxxx reporter. We exchanged many e-mails and phone calls. I sent a note to the Companion List seeking those who may want to help clean up the industry and the abuse of Elms/TER. There is now a far wider story and much more about Elms, including his criminal record and many more legal actions in progress.

Part of the reason for the story is to expose that because private prostitution is illegal in the U.S. vs almost all the rest of the world where it is legal David Elms types can get by with their abuse of women because no one wants to come forward. This is an opportunity with the protection the paper can offer sources to not disclose their identity. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx a very creditable paper not like the tabloid press.

Fortunately I kept all the e-mails from companions whose stories I included at http://www.sexwork.com/terbad.html  and e-mailed some of them. Of those where I had e-mail addresses that were still good, all that responded confirmed their report but many are too scared to even talk to a reporter. Some gave me suggestions of other companions to contact who they knew were abused by Elms. He certainly gets around. One well known Phoenix companion is very scared of Elms who wanted her and a friend to come to meet him in LA. Others value TER since they get so much business from it and sadly just look at the abusive practices as just part of what is normal in the industry. TER is a great concept (although I much prefer the mechanics of the major Canadian boards) and could be taken over by hopefully more honest people regardless of what happens to Elms, just like TBD survived his big bust under new management.

If any other companions are willing to come forward as a protected source please let me know and I will connect you with the reporter.

The reporter wants to publish quickly but it will have to be reviewed by high ranking editors and the legal department. So far I understand legal is all for publishing what they have reviewed so far. However it is my understanding a similar story was going to run in the LA Times a few years ago and it never made it. Elms has lots of lawyers I understand. But the attitude of the reporter of course is that the xxxxxxxxxx lawyers are much bigger and better than his! But it may be a lawyer fight which could delay publishing. At least free speech is behind the paper as long as all the fact checking is iron clad. The more honest companions willing to come forward the more verification from different sources is possible.

Elms also has quite a criminal record that I didn't realize that the reporter uncovered and I also was able to find. Most of it is related to drug and gun charges.

Tidbits I some of what I've leaned in addition the many companions reports already exposed:

A companion tried to file criminal charges against him with Manhattan Beach PD which has jurisdiction - Elm's address is quite public via various records searches as is his criminal history. But since she is a companion, they would not grant her immunity which is a major problem which enables Elms continued abuse. Sadly this is different than my great experience with Scottsdale PD in getting the attacker that almost killed companions ( http://www.sexwork.com/Phoenix/rapist.html ) But there is a huge difference between kidnapping, rape, robbery and potential murder in the Scottsdale situation vs. the abuse by Elms and the TER policies.

Reporter has talked to LAPD - But there are many complicated legal issues involved.  Reporter has even been in touch with Elms criminal attorney for any comments they want to make. There is a huge difference between a source which a newspaper can protect identify vs. having to work with the police and probably have to testify in court as the courageous companions did in order to convict in the Scottsdale case. It was the brave companions testifying that resulted in his 109 year consecutive sentence.

There was is a very creative demand letter to Elms regarding large well known on TER, Phoenix Agency that was banned on TER.  It is alleged that Elms/TER violated the Sherman federal antitrust law, violations could be felonies and individuals may be imprisoned up to three years and fined up to $350,000; corporations may be fined up to $10,000,000. Further there is a private right of action to recover treble damages for damages, plus cost of litigation including attorney fees.  In addition it was alleged Elms also violated the Arizona antitrust laws.

Elms settled by reinstating them on TER. The antitrust arguments could help other companions take legal action. The leak of the info is an issue but (Newspapers) attorneys have talked to attorneys who  wrote the letter informing them they intend to publish it in full and stating their legal right to do so. I had a friendly phone discussion with the Agency owner who was prepared for it to go public by filing litigation in Federal Court if Elms didn't settle. He is more upset to find the source of the leak than the fact I had received it. It could even be good publicity for the agency involved.

The person who sent me the demand letter says, "Can you please post a copy of the lawsuit on your website, so if any other providers get banned they can take legal action against David and TER. Please share the lawsuit with everyone so we can put a stop to this predator."  I am not publishing the letter at this point. I will let the (newpaper) do it with all their lawyers behind it since they have said they intend to publish it in its entirety.

Another companion is pursuing a civil suit claiming a large amount of damages to her and her family against Elms. She says she also plans to file a criminal complaint and welcomes media coverage. But she has to be silent for about 30 days on the recommendation of her attorney's while getting further iron clad proof it was Elms. It is for something very different than the many other companion abuse issues, but is definitely criminal. I talked with her by phone for over 2 hours and exchanged e-mails. She led me to other potential victims of Elms which I have e-mailed.

Based on various discussions it seems generally known and accepted that the major Phoenix agencies have to send girls to service Elms. One owner told me by phone that they used to do it when requested but then stood up to him and refused. They don't like TER anyway since reviews are usually fake and tell of acts that never happened but they have not been booted yet Elms knows he can't get any of their girls to service him. But so far they are not willing to talk to the reporter.

A companion that knows Elms well doesn't understand why he keeps doing his shit, usually is stoned when she talks to her. We also know all about "xxxx who Elms' is trying to keep as his own and not have work as an escort and has mixed alliances between him and the real truth. By his continued activities it is like he is on a power trip or loves living on the edge, but could result in his big fall and prison. Especially under California 3 strikes felony law she points out. She claims two felony convictions, but so far I only find 1 felony (others I think are misdemeanors) in my criminal record searches.

One companion has a more downbeat attitude:
"I think, unfortunately, you're going to find the mainstream world thinks the whole thing is hilarious and disgusting...a bunch of hookers who want to be treated as if they are respectable people. Sad, but that's my prediction. In the end, no one cares what happens to hookers, since they are doing something the world thinks isn't the best choice. Look at the DC Madam...it isn't even newsworthy anymore. It's a sad world...you're fighting a losing fight. Want to really get rid of Dave? Focus on the criminal aspect of whatever he may be doing (drugs? Guns? Not sure)...until you do that, you've got nothing...the guy does NOT respond to shame, and your article will be something he will LOVE. He'll get more TER members and laugh it off...watch."

Dave notes: But the D.C. Madam case, botched by the defense in my view, resulted in lots of public discussion - which from what I've read in editorials and reader comments is mostly what waste it was of two lives (the two suicides) all for prosecuting in private consenting adult pleasure sharing. And I keep wanting to add, legal in almost all the rest of the world with no real negative consequences.
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From my earlier special e-mail with some updated editing - to companions explaining why I think article could be good for the industry.

While some will disagree and send me hateful e-mail, I believe it is beneficial for potential legal changes to educate the public whenever we can about the huge demand and number of companions providing what is legal in almost all the world except the U.S. Overall it has been shown that the public does support the waste public and court resources going after in private consenting adult sexwork which is reflected on boards such as TER. This is vastly different than the "prostitution" word linked to street hookers for which there is little public support. The D.C. Madam case with sadly it resulting in two suicides did on the positive side, expose more of private sex work to the public - and many feel going after private sex is not what the government should be doing and the tragic results of such prosecutions.

Trying to hide the industry clearly has not worked. I subscribe to a news service on "prostitution" news articles and there are often a dozen a day of busts in various U.S. cities, many including for example just today a Councilmen in Ohio. I believe it is beneficial to help the public realize its not just perverts, but their minister, their attorney, doctor, Sunday School teacher and neighbors and maybe their own spouse, that participate safely with outcalls in what is legal and no big issue in almost all the world except the U.S.

In my view we need to be educate the public about private sexwork which is so vastly different than street hookers. An article on TER even about abuses could help public awareness of how so many people participate in private adult sexuality options. TER and similar boards are protected free speech but just like The Big Doggie's lessor but somewhat similar antics, what a person does can be criminal - especially related to pimping which is not legal in most of the world vs just outcall sex. In addition when he brings in out of state gals it is clearly a Mann Act violation as well as probably criminal extortion which might lead to RICO and organized crime federal charges.

The extortion review board - I had never known about but companion sent me the link
extortion –noun the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority
http://www.theextortionreview.com 
It says:
The Purpose of this Board
This board is dedicated to David Elms, owner and administrator of http://www.theeroticreview.net. There is much speculation, and in some instances proven fact, that he is intimidating and blackmailing girls and people on his board into receiving sexual favors, money, and who knows what else. Hopefully this board will serve as a warning for future victims, and a place for people to anonymously tell what has happened to them.

They have a graphic saying
Free Sex = Good Reviews
No Free Sex = Bad Reviews

A few posts:
This is the staff at www.nationalblacklist.com . We came here because someone put a posting on our site and referred this new board exposing David Elms and the TER. National Blacklist is a neighborhood watch website for escorts. There are already several postings warning about Dave and the TER on our website. And he is not the only one in the act. Apparently there are a few employess of the TER who also are trying to extort Free or Full Service sessions out of providers. And, of course there are the long time "supposed" VIP influential hobbyists who've been doing the same for quite some time. If they aren't bartering good reviews for Free or Full Service sessions, they are just out right "blackmailing" girls with bad reviews if they do not see them and give up free or full service appointments. We at National Blacklist support this website and wish to help stop the exploitation of escorts by David Elms and anyone else, but to hear now that he is taking down reviews and making the gals pay hundreds of dollars to repost them is heinous.
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Dave believes that since the girls get free business from ter, he should be able to have sex with whomever he wants for free".
"A few escorts have told me he carries a gun"
Dave notes his gun related criminal charges.

5/5/08 Have you been raped by Dave at The Erotic Review?
From a Provider
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rnr/632884435.html
Looks like Dave of TER is getting what's coming to him
TER is a disgrace. Someone really needs to shut them down for good.

Link says:
Have you been raped by Dave at The Erotic Review?
Reply to: pers-632884435@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-04-06, 6:36PM PDT
Are you one of the women David Elms has coerced into unsafe sex to stay on his website? Did he ban you because you refused? Did you contract and STD from your rape? Are you interested in making sure that this doesn’t happen to another woman?

If you are willing to tell your story to a private investigator who will guarantee your anonymity you can help stop this. Please send a brief description of your experience with him and you will be contacted. With a few women who are willing to go on record this man can be stopped – and you will be able to bring a civil suit and make him pay for what he has done.

Dave notes: I assume the private investigator would gather information and file a civil suit. The sources would have to be public in pretrial and a trial and be willing to testify that is why often nothing happens to bad people taking advantage of companions. You would also need to prove damages which may be hard. They might want to file a criminal complaint depending on what a lawyer advises.

3/7/08 More TER Comments
Recently TER reared its ugly head and attacked a new well-respected board in Phoenix and its head admin. It seems that an out of town provider (never been in Phoenix before) had a canceled appointment with notice (by admin) and then invited the admin over for a "coffee" meeting. Some how this rejected middle-aged woman made the conclusion that Mikez was asking for a free bee even though it was a brief social visit. TER allowed this un-substantiated accusation to run wild on the discussion board and flame Mikez for three days. There was excessive name-calling and one local provider attempted and hijacked the threads for her own self-serving social vendetta.

Unlike the T-man situation that is validated time and time again (free sex for reviews) by companions this is an alleged un-substantiated accusation by a disgruntled rejected provider that doesn't even live here and knows few people in the area..

Well the reality is there are local boards all over that are perceived or defined by TER "David Elms" as competition. In doing so the mod's on TER have a free hand to "flame" the local boards and owners/admins anytime they want. As evidence of this you can try to use a provider posting (local) web site link for starting a review process in "post a new review" and a pop up message appears "you may not use this site as a provider posting ad site as this site is in competition with TER". The determination for a site in competition with TER is do they have a review section.

Time and time again local boards are started and thrive because of the TER policies and ethics (lack of) that are demonstrated by TER. Women are fed up and tired of the threats fines and intimidation of David Elms/TER policies. Providers are dropped from the TER world at the drop of a hat. Women look for alternative honest boards and groups to use and in the process become victims to the TER flaming and payola for sex. There is constant manipulation and victimization of women that field the "grind" of discounted services in exchange for a "great review" only to find the review is juiced up and is often fabricated lies just to get the rating that is "needed" to get the points rating or feed the male ego.

If TER was all that it feels it is why are they afraid of competition. If you chose these independent boards in San Diego, Las Vegas, or Phoenix, just to name a few, a woman targets herself for potential trouble. If a review posted in TER mentions one of these boards by name in the body of the review it will be bounced or "not approved".

Little by little the community is waking up and understanding the need for life other than TER. The local boards thrive and grow in spite of TER policies, flaming, and respective abuse in so many areas. It is considered unfortunate that flaming and abuse that was recently portrayed was allowed to happen. Honest sites like Dave's list and http://phxasp.com will continue to survive and grow. The truth will prevail.

Dave if this or some thing like it can be used for editorial comment it would be appreciated I think the community needs to hear the "voice" please use it but keep it anonymous please.

2/22/08: Dave:
I don't know if you have read my blogs or not, but if you had, you would know that I want ter shut down for real. A lot of ter clients go to escortblogs.com where I wrote a bunch of things about TER and how I hated it. I had a few reviews posted about me way back when on it, but I e-mailed them and told them to take them all down. I also don't like the way the guys off TER try to bargain the girls' rates down It's obvious that when clients or tricks as I've called them try to control the business, they ruin it. If it was up to the guys, they wouldn't pay anything. c'mon. It should be up to the women what they want to charge and for what services. ..., but so is unsafe sex, anal, how many positions, multiple pops and any other nasty thing you can think of. ... It should be the women's choice instead of being up to some review board.
Yours Truly,
Kristy (in Phoenix)

2/2/08 Update - I had taken this page down trying to unite the Community but also got attacked by those saying I was either bribed or threatened by Dave of TER - neither of which is the case.  Also there was concern about some rather far out statements by providers that are beyond the issues of how Dave of TER abuses sexworkers.  

Recently when I believed there were opportunities of national importance for providers to rally around, I was still banned from TER since I have allowed others to speak the truth.   My only correspondence with Dave of TER was his demand I take down other info that was totally factual about when TER was down. There were rumors of bad things, but I cleared up the rumor and made it clear it was just routine maintenance, yet he still demands people bow to his wishes.

For over a decade I have fought for honestly and integrity in the industry and have allowed providers to share their negative experiences both with TER and many years ago TBD when bigdoggie was busted.   I was also banned from TBD for allowing the truth to be told, but I have heard nothing negative about TBD in many many years and I am now able to post on TBD.

If providers want to share honest actual experiences with TER to add to these older reports you can e-mail them to me at dave@davephx.com  Especially appreciated is information from providers willing to use their known provider names as many have below.  Sometimes I am attacked saying I made these up which of course is totally ridicules.  I have the e-mails from all the reports and confirmed the best I could that they were from legitimate providers. It is often hard standing up for honestly when those with other motives don't like the truth told. On the other hand if there is clear evidence he is no longer abusing providers by insisting on free sex I will publish that information also here or if his juicy review requirement changes.  I doubt it will however since it attacks to many readers lining his pockets with money as well as his power to get away with what he does.

2/1/08
TER and California Busts
From a Provider
...By the way - did you hear about ALL the men (clients) AND women (net-walkers) that got busted today in Bev Hills & All of Los Angeles County Thursday?
It's been all over the news and TER was their big resource - tons of TOP NET-WALKERS got stung this week and they are going for more (It's an election year - my advicde: lay low folks -- this goes for the men too!~~ )
And folks wonder why I NEVER WANTED REVIEWS AND retired~!

Dave notes I have no way to confirm that TER was used but we know it has been used in the past in other cities.

Popup when enter  http://www.VeronicaFranco.com
"I am not a member, promote, reviewed or advertise wtih the Erotic Review...The mob mentality, ethics, and moral character of the owner and associates does not support mine and many other providers who have spent time in this industry. Pleaase visit my link page for list of established and reputable websites ....without the prejudice, scandalous and blackmailed tactics impletmented by the owner of The Erotic Review and persons that benefit from their guidelines."

This is the staff at www.nationalblacklist.com.
We came here because someone put a posting on our site and referred this new board exposing David Elms and the TER. National Blacklist is a neighborhood watch website for escorts. There are already several postings warning about Dave and the TER on our website. And he is not the only one in the act. Apparently there are a few employess of the TER who also are trying to extort Free or Full Service sessions out of providers. And, of course there are the long time "supposed" VIP influential hobbyists who've been doing the same for quite some time. If they aren't bartering good reviews for Free or Full Service sessions, they are just out right "blackmailing" girls with bad reviews if they do not see them and give up free or full service appointments. We at National Blacklist support this website and wish to help stop the exploitation of escorts by David Elms and anyone else, but to hear now that he is taking down reviews and making the gals pay hundreds of dollars to repost them is heinous.

1/14/07
Provider on David Elms of TER
Hi Dave:
I am a retired provider who still reads your website on occasion.

I really wouldn't feel too bad about anything David Elms says about you - the fact that he's talking about you and feels the need to have one of his cronies set the record straight (Dave is Asian and occasionally slips up and uses "Engrish"- that letter was definitely not written by him) shows how worried he is that his kingdom is about to implode.

The man is so arrogant that he probably believes that recent events in Atlanta will promote his business further. What he doesn't seem to get is that the authorities don't like it when those who break the law flaunt it. That's when they decide to flex some muscle. And this country isn't ready for primetime prostitution, not by a longshot. That Dave doesn't even appear to have adequate legal counsel to explain the concept of domicile is very disturbing to me, and should be to anyone who enjoys his or her privacy. In other words, it makes no difference where his servers are located if the Department of Justice decides to get involved; the arm of U.S. law has a very long reach.

So in short, good work, Dave of Phoenix. As they say, the bigger they are, the harder they fall, and it's not a question of if Mr. Elms will fall, it's a question of when.
Best regards to you.
PS - if you feel like printing this please do - but kindly withold my name.

11/30/06 with 12/8/06 update at end
Worst Kind of Male Predator - David Elms of TER
Yet another Providers Abuse

9/14/06 Yet Another Phoenix Provider is Upset with Pimp Dave of TER Treatment
Details of how Dave of TER takes advantage of Providers and his Power Trip

A Phoenix Provider, A List member e-mails me:
"I'm a newbie provider, recently delisted from TER. I had a phone conversation late last night/early this morning with Dave (of TER). For an hour, we went round and round about how I could 'privately' remedy the situation, since a public reinlistment was not possible.

I refused to sleep with him or pay his 'fine'. Thus, I'm permanently banned from TER and Dave has said this means the end of my 'career'. I'm pretty plucky, so I doubt it. I'd like to see this guy stopped... or at least halted a bit."

In response to a hour long phone call with TER Dave the provider says in an e-mail to Dave of TER, "You were very clear about the power you have to 'make or break' someone's career in this business. I don't doubt that you have a great deal of influence..." Dave of Phoenix notes I hear this from many providers that Dave is on a real power trip when he offers to make the problem disappear by an "arrangement" of "fine" so they will be successful due to TER.

Dave of Phoenix comments:
I have much more information shared by this upset provider including e-mail exchanges with Dave. This is probably a classic example of how many providers have told me they get taken advantage of by TER Dave. He catches an innocent mistake and makes it into his opportunity to take advantage of the situation with his love for power, telling providers how he can "end your career" as if a providers career depended on TER.

Excuses Dave of TER uses to entrap providers
Sometimes the "got yah" is when two providers share the same computer so they show up posting with the same IP, or a client uses the providers computer after a great session to write a review - he suggests it - not suggested by the provider- but while provider does something else she lets him use her computer. The review shows up as the same IP address as the Provider has used on the Discussion board.

Or, in this case unknown to the provider who is a newbie, her boyfriend who knows about TER writes a review of her. Again provider says she had no idea at the time he was doing this. The review was never posted. Later boyfriend tells provider that he tried to do a review that was rejected. Provider wants to know more about TER and reads their information and the newbie FAQ. Provider tells boyfriend not to try and submit another review since it is against the rules. He complies.

Two months later after many great reviews by others she is banned from TER. She discovers from Dave it was because of her boyfriends trying to submit a review (caught since same IP address she posts with ), even though the provider didn't know about it at the time, when she found out told him not to try again and was honest in telling Dave of TER what happened.

She explains all this to Dave in a phone call and he feels very sorry she is banned and her career is ruined, but a fine can take care of it if she offers it. The provider has now been warned by other providers that the "fine" is usually paid by having sex with Dave and she simply tells him she will not bribe him this way. So without the "fine" she is banned. Other providers have told me the "fine" is the cost of an airline ticket to San Diego - to have sex with Dave.

The Phoenix provider says further about the phone call, "he began to go down the list of ways other providers had remedied the situation and options that he and 'his respected hobbyist friends' came up with for restitution. I was pretty blunt and said that he wasn't gettin' anything from me by way of sex or money and that all I had to offer him was an apology and my word that it would never happen again. He said this certainly didn't sound like punishment enough. (Keeping in mind that this is after he's requested that I email him a photo of me so he "knows who he's talking to".) He was incredibly complimentary about how good I looked and how he certainly wouldn't mind 'checking out the goods'. Having read Dave's list long before this happened, I knew what to expect as soon as he started talking. I told him that he needn't go further and that I had heard all about his business practices before. He played innocent until he realized that I had done my research and said he certainly didn't want to confirm the rumors that he required sex and moved on to my 'other' private option, which was to pay a monetary fine directly to him and suffer a 3-6 month probation period. I was clear that TER hadn't done enough for my career to warrant him being my pimp and that I'd have to decline...Thanks for posting and exposing this nutcase."

7/06 Many Comments by Phoenix Providers About TER
I cancelled my TER account because they do not really moderate much. I had several false posts on my services just for hobbyists to be able to reach a level of seeing all the juicy details... aside from which when I would contact TER, they would never respond...Good luck with the closed minded...

" I was reading about TER I hate that thing, I have no idea how I even got on there, More than just of couple of reviews on there of me are fake,, I never seen them, I think They just pick a provider and write a review so they can get free time,,'
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Dear Dave,
I appreciate what you trying to do. Sadly, I have been let down by most people I've met in this industry. Most of them, users. This gives me a chance to respond in bulk to the many ladies that have reached out to me by telephone or email. Please know that my lack of response isn't meant to be taken personally. It's just to keep myself from being taken advantage of. I've always lived by the motto, "Treat people how you'd like to be treated." But, why should I believe others live by the same creed? I too was banned from TER. It goes like this, I request to cancel my VIP membership. They ask why? "So that I'm not tempted to look at the juicy details," I say. I assumed it obvious that I was trying to be cute. But, you know what they say about assuming....

Dave responded personally saying something not unlike, "Why would I expect you would give up $20.00 a month for all that TER does for you?" Shocked, I quickly say, "You took me all wrong." His final words were, "You need to be careful what bridges you burn in this industry, especially with your asking rate." So, things like this continue to happen to me and I am no longer surprised or even take it personally. In the end, it is they that have to live with their own character. I want to hold on to the belief that most people are good. It just turned out that the career path of my own choice, happened to contain a lot of snakes. The thing I'm not sure Dave of TER or anyone else that may have wanted me banned understood was that I didn't use TER as a means to advertise. It hurt my feelings more than my business. I don't allow reviews and very rarely posted a link to my website or included pictures in my posts. I honestly just went there for the conversation and entertainment. So, if any of you are reading this, I miss you.

I was invited to the TER party and was very close to going. Even if someone bans you for a bogus reason, you don't want to be in anyone's dog house. Being a perfectionist has always been a sort of curse. But, in the end, I have too much pride to kiss up to this man. Besides, the whole holier than thou attitude is very unattractive to me personally and professionally. Until pompous people are treated indifferently, they will remain that way. Anyway, thank you for giving me an outlet to express my thoughts. And feel free to post this wherever you feel it might help. Ladies, no one makes or breaks you. In the end, it's you that controls your own happiness. This is your life. Yours alone. Preach on Sista? Okay, if you insist and if you don't mind? www.Furisdead.com .
Ciao,
Isabella Manelli
xo
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Dave
To some people this is a business and only a business. It is simply a matter of maximizing profit. You don't feel that way. To you this is a mission. You care about the people. I appreciate that in you. You have helped me a lot in the time I have known you. I would bet a lot of people feel that way about you. As this little battle wages keep your prospective and stay on the high ground. When the smoke clears you will still be here.
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sounds like "days of our lives" or just as crazy as the soaps~!!! why cant people just run a business mature-like? this doesnt happen in real businesses normal businesses? geez why can't we all just get along??! grow up people quit cutting each others throats and work together, protect each other especially from the LE and the crazy phsyco's out there like the so called baseline rapist and the shooter asshole!!
What's really going on?!
I wish we all had each other's backs, not a war between friends!

Dave says, AMEN!   Yet when there is dishonesty and misinformation going on I expose it since I have fought for honesty in the industry for over a decade and think many folks care about what is going on first with TBD, and now TER for the last few years. I would welcome a more honest public forum like www.aspd.net is but with little local activity.

6/26/06 Another Provider Wants to Express Her Outrage at TER's Dave
Because of all his bullshit and him causing me so much stress, I have become very depressed and my business has almost stopped. Except for my regulars who don't call often enough. Most of them were told I retired. I wonder where they got that bunch of bullshit.

Doesn't he have someone he answers to? He has fxxxx (might kick bad word e-mail filters) with so many people it has to catch up with him sooner or later. I think we should somehow put him in his place and take that fxxxxer down. Karma has got kick his ass if nothing else.

I just started studying to be a private investigator and hopefully I will learn how to get some real dirt on that asshole. He has got to be stopped. He is PURE EVIL!

Dave notes:  Another victim of refusing to have free sex with Dave of TER.  And yet TER is the most widely supported board in the U.S. which gives him more and more an ego and power vs. the honest boards/Lists such as aspd.net and of course while I just a bit biased the Private List in Phoenix.  But many of the most popular providers choose to support TER instead by their activity.

2/26/06 Another Provider Warning About Dave of TER
Dave in Phoenix,
your the best for exposing David Elms. I have been scammed by that dirty man as well. Right before Sundance Film Festival in Park City Utah( one of the biggest events that come to Utah) he convenientally took all our reviews off for "review Fraud". This was not true.

 However he said I could make it up to him by sending one of the girls off the website. I paid the lady to go spend some time with him in LA. She called me crying saying that if she didnt suck his dick ( which had HERPES covering it) without a condom then he would "call her boss and get her fired and post bad reviews about her so no other company would hire her."

Thank goodness she called me, and I assured her to not do anything that would make her feel uncomfortable. DAVE WAS UP ALL NIGHT SMOKING CRACK. HE HAS HERPES AND IS A FAT DIRTY PIG. HE IS VERY AGRESSIVE AND COULD BE DANGEROUS!!!!!!!! He only put back half our reviews ( if that). And then wouldnt post new reviews. He tried to get me to send him another girl for free. I wouldnt and he threatened to call the cops on me. DUH!!!!!!! Did he forget he was just smokinh crack the week before with an escort? WOW!!!!! So ya, Thank you for exposing this slimeball, crackhead mother fucker with a scabby dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MissJ said...

It amazes me the B.S. that goes on on the reviews and discussion boards I rarely posted because it just draws attention to you,sometimes the wrong kind, however after many months of debate I decided to withdraw my reviews from The Erotic Review due to the fact that there have been about 3 recent reviews (all good) written about me that were bogus upon contacting The Erotic Review about this I was asked for PROOF! why would anyone lie about bogus good reviews?

Just proves my point that the people working for them are as shady as they are ignorant.You would think that they would want reviews that were from legit clients,but this does not surprise me. I have heard stories from other girls about the shady dealings that goes on and so I told them to remove me reviews, they in turn sent a nasty email saying I was banned ,I think I`ll lose sleep for about oh 2 seconds over this one!

The fact that The Erotic Review chooses to ignore a provider when she speaks out regarding bogus reviews written by gentlemen seeking to gain access to the juicy details section is very very disturbing.

They also deleted a post I responded to asking about a website where the ladies can go to to write reviews and alerts of bad clients,so here it is ladies www.providerblackbook.com an excellant resource for providers to keep us safe.

Another provider
Review boards that use bullying, extortion, and censorship as regular business practices and that encourage clients to post "enhanced" reviews are a disgrace to the industry and demean both escorts and clients. And they make their money from us, escorts and clients. Unless a review board is supportive of fair business practices and of the dignity of both escorts and clients, it is nothing more than a parasite.

"Do what I say or I'll destroy you".
"Make me my money, bitch, and keep your mouth shut".

What does that sound like to you? Like a pimp maybe? Doesn't everybody hate pimps? Then why do we have corrupt review boards acting as defacto pimps? Without reviews, review boards can't generate income. They're counting on us, escorts and clients, to continue to generate income for them and while we're at it, smile, look pretty, and shut the fuck up.

Do we want to be these board's bitch? Ladies? Gentlemen?

If not, tell me why. Were you banned without cause? Did someone try to extort sex from you and threaten to use the boards to ruin your business if you didn't comply? Guys, did you have reviews not published because you refused to endanger escorts by saying they provided services that they did not provide?

Let me know. I think there are many of us; and if so, we have the power to make Escortlandia a hell of a lot better. As well, are there boards or resources that you think operate fairly? I can add them to the IWTB approved links in the sidebar.

Also...I am not sure there won't be some kind of retaliation for this, so use an alias if you think that may be a problem.

Source:
http://imwiththebanned.blogspot.com/2006/03/have-you-been-treated-badly-by-review.html

1/24/06 URGENT TER WARNING ABOUT LE FROM A PROVIDER:
TER TURNS OVER PROVIDER AD, ISP & Credit Card INFORMATION TO LE

A Provider sent me this message:
Many of you are not fans of TER so in light of those allegations it seems to me a very good idea to delist yourself ASAP:

TER & LE
TAKEN OFF OF MSNBC SITE
David R. Elms, president of The Erotic Review, said he was aware that police occasionally registered as fake customers on his site.

Elms maintained that it didn’t happen nearly as often as escorts and their customers believed, adding that law enforcement had asked for information about the site’s members only once. The company’s attorneys “worked it out,” he said, providing no further details.

Elms said he had no choice but to keep quiet even when he learned of active stings on his site: “We can’t impede an investigation. It’s a felony.” stated Elm's.

AND FOLLOW BELOW FOR WHY MR. ELMS HAS NO CHOICE TO BE QUIET!!!!
NOW THE GOOD PART ON HOW THEY WORKED IT OUT:
close inside info from a ex moderator tells me that the way it was worked out with lawyers and police is David R Elms is being granted immunnity from any criminal prosecution in return of letting vice on the boards to gather info on john's and providers in the area's of these sting op's!!!!

It has also been brought to my attention That David R Elms presisdent of TER also gives personal info such as IP addy's, CC billings info ETC....... of those who advertise or hold reviews on his board over to vice in the cities of sting op's.

note*** so in all actuality MR. David R Elms President of TER is taking our monies to get on the boards for so called "VIP MEMBERSHIP" and handing over our personal info. to keep his role in tacked on TER and also selling out the little ppl ("who really make ter what it is") to vice in exchange for immunity

GOOD RACKET YOU GOT GOING ON OVER THERE, MR DAVID ELMS

(I Wonder if Mr. Elms is vice himself!!!!!)

ADVICE TO ALL******:
PROVIDERS: have your reviews removed immediately as to the vice and men in blue are using the top lists and new reviews lists to go after high profiled providers whether it be good rev's or bad (any review will put you on the new reviews list no matter what state you are in) they are using these lists especially in NY as a road map on who to go after next!!!!!!

JOHN'S: be very careful on who you see no matter how many reviews a certain provider has. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING INCRIMINATING!!!!!(THE USE OF ACRONYMS AND HOBBY SLANG IS A BIG NO NO ALSO!!!!!!! AS THE USE OF THESE WILL ALSO BE USED IN A COURT OF LAW AGAINST YOU), and be aware of your surroundings.

THAT SAID, HAPPY HOBBY'ING AND STAY SAFE AND STAY OFF OF TER UNLESS YOU ARE USING A DIFFERENT IP ADDY OTHER THAN YOUR OWN, AND CREDIT CARD #'S
FROM:
AN EX MOD AND ACTIVE HOBBYIST OF THE HOBBY

p.s......for Mr. David R. Elms (because we all know he is going to read this)
Mr. David R. Elms you can kiss my ass and the asses of all other hobby'ists and providers whom you have given info out on, turned on, and just fucked with in general. I told you when I left on my own from TER that I would expose you and your extorting ways to the public one day. well here I am and this is just the beginning of a long list that I have transpired on you and your staff on theeroticreview.com and dont say that this is b/s because if MSNCB has info about you on there pages (and from what I know about you personally) is true
FULL EXPOSURE ON YOU AND YOUR STAFF IS SOON TO COME

Website: http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ers/1274848
Blog posted 01/23/2006 @ 04:19 pm
Source:  http://www.escortblogs.net/lowprofilegirl.htm?blog=20060123161926

Dave in Phoenix (not TER!) notes, zillions of gals have been harassed by David Elms owner of TER for free sex in order to have reviews allowed, reviews have to be juicy to be accepted and highest ratings only if do unsafe sex acts. I have documented just a few of the many e-mails from upset providers and document what TER does at http://www.sexwork.com/whatisnew/terbad.html  Now, with the MSNBC article (which also quotes from sexwork.com - as mentioned last week), many more providers are pulling out of TER with the risk not only from David Elms himself but his working with LE. MSNBC article at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10896432/ 

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Long History or TER Abuse Reports:

The problem with TER is that many reviews are rejected if they are simply honest and not juiced up to be acceptable. TER wants Penthouse letters type reviews, not honest ones.

That is why so many providers in Phoenix and many other cities, will never take a client that mentions TER. Too many have had reviews claiming they do things they won't. But had to be included in TER reviews, to give enough juice to be acceptable by TER.

I had many honest reviews rejected since not juicy enough and now have heard from zillions of other very upset providers who have great reviews on TER but are fake in order to be accepted.  in 2003-2005 it has gotten worse with many reports of Mr. TER (also a Dave not to be confused with me, "Dave in Phoenix") insisting on free sex from many providers! 

TER: The Evil Regime
From Dave's E-mail 1/1/06
Dave,
First, I wish to thank you for exposing TER for the shame it brings to sexwork.

I have been a sexworker for over a decade. I value my career and strive to give one hundred percent to my clients and fellow sexworkers. I organized and head a group of ladies in my region who share my desire for a sisterhood of safe, quality, and honest sexwork. We hold monthly meetings where we discuss client verification methods, safety issues, travel advice, advertising venues, review sites, and many more topics that are relevant to our career choice.

Time and time again, TER is the subject of complaints. Many feel that their requirement of reviews being "juicy" is unfair. If hobbyists and/or providers wish to be discreet, they should be allowed. My advice to hobbyists was always to submit an honest review and let it be. If it was not published, so be it. At least integrity was being valued. My advice to providers was not to make any waves at TER, because they are notorious for banning anyone who dares to question their methods. I guess I should have followed my own advice.

I was on TER for years. My reviews were always top notch. I was the recipient of page after page of 9/10 reviews. I encouraged ladies to post their schedules on the TER discussion boards and make TER their preferred message board. I referred hundreds, if not thousands, of hobbyists to the site. I must say that I was one of TER's main advocates, a constant supporter, and a great promoter.

This all changed one day. I dared to question one of my reviews. I felt it was inaccurate and requested that they remove it or ask the reviewer to edit out the inaccurate part. The reviewer had stated that I provide a service which I do not. I thought it best not to mislead readers of the review. I was trying to do the stand up thing.

A couple of days later, I received an email from TER that my help ticket had a response. The email contained a link to read their response. I clicked on the link and was prompted to login. I did so. At the bottom of the login screen was a note in red letters that I was banned. I felt there must be a mistake, so I wrote to admin@theeroticreview.com. They replied by saying that I was banned for self-reviewing. First, I'd like to state that I have never self-reviewed. I have no need to. I have hundreds of excellent reviews on dozens of message boards and escort review sites. Second, if I did self-review, I wouldn't be stupid enough for it to be detected. I am very computer savvy. I know enough about proxy servers, anonymous email accounts, and the like to make it feasible for me to post self-reviews. However, I would never do so, because it is unnecessary. Third, every one of my reviewers had multiple reviews for various ladies, proving they were actually real reviews by well known hobbyists.

I wrote back to TER asking them what made them think I had self- reviewed. They replied with a rather suspicious email listing two reviewers they believed to be me. I asked them for the IP addresses connected with the reviewer's accounts. They were unable to provide them. I asked them for copies of the reviews. They were unable to provide them. In fact,they told me these were unapproved reviews. Huh? It was all very puzzling. I was beginning to get the idea that TER was simply using this as an excuse to ban someone they felt was "making waves." In all of our communications, I remained diplomatic, polite, and professional. I explained to them that there must be some mistake and to look back at my exemplary record on their site. They replied with a threat to defame me on their discussion board. I couldn't believe my eyes. The email actually threatened, in black and white and no uncertain terms, that they would post a message on their discussion forum stating that I am a self-reviewer, liar, and can't be trusted. As you can imagine, that brought things to an end. I was not about to have TER defame me on their discussion boards with no opportunity for rebuttal, since my IP address was banned.

I dropped the matter, out of fear. My business declined. TER, although a disgrace to sexworkers, is a boon to well reviewed providers, like myself. It was my number one resource for hobbyists. My business cut in half.

Here is the epilogue to my TER horror story. About one week after my last email from TER, I received a phone call from a gentleman named Dave. He claimed to be a "decision maker" at TER. He told me he saw on another board that I was coming to California. I affirmed that I was planning a visit. He told me that he often tests out-of-state girls, writes reviews on them, and "makes or breaks" them. I told him he wouldn't be able to write a review on me, because TER had delisted me, due to a misunderstanding. He responded to my statement by saying that all misunderstandings can be cleared up. I said, "Do you mean you can get me back on TER?" He said he could do more than that. He could not only get my reviews and profile back up, but he could see to it that I get nothing but excellent reviews from now on. I told him I always get great reviews, anyway. He said that, sometimes, good girls can get bad reviews. I don't know what he meant by that, but it was clear he was asking for a freebie in exchange for un-delisting me. I told him that I was unfairly delisted. He replied, "You must have pissed off someone." I explained the situation to him and he answered by saying, "See, I told you that you pissed off someone. When will you girls learn that it's best to keep your mouths shut and do what you're told?" I was flabbergasted and unable to respond, so I just hung up. Needless to say, I canceled my California tour.

I wish to thank you for exposing TER for what it is, a disgrace to sexworkers and an unfair venue for TER Dave to get laid for free. Someone needed to reveal the truth and you did. I am appalled that more hasn't been said. I have a feeling many sexworkers are in fear of the consequences. I am sure I am not the first to be banned for questioning a review. I am sure I am not the first to be told that everything could be made right, if I would just do a freebie for the head honcho. TER is ridiculous, shameful, and a disgrace to sexwork!

Please, keep my email address and name anonymous. I am very fearful of being busted in retaliation for telling my story. I have been told many stories of girls who are busted in retaliation for not going along with TER and TER Dave.

TER Sucks (Yes another different provider)
From Dave's E-mail 1/1/06
Dave, I apprecite the work you are doing and especially the info on TER dave
http://www.sexwork.com/whatisnew/terbad.html

Some time back TER dave forced my friend to play his games and she was scarred to death of him. Her comment was "I now know what the devil looks like"

I'd like to share some info on this piece of shit if you are intersted. I have pics of his car & his license plate and I video taped the fat fuck getting out of his car. I haven't edited the tape yet, to make it a pc compatable file yet.

This guy is a piece of shit and the more people that know this the better. 

Regarding TER - From Dave's E-mail  12/23/05
Hi Dave! Love you news letter! I have a comment regarding TER...

I'm a private booker here in So.Cal and have been for almost 10 years. As a booker, I actually speak to the clients as the provider so they don't feel as if they're talking to an agency (which I'm not). Anyway, I can't begin to tell you how many times over the years I have heard from Dave at TER...He basically says, "I'm a Big Wig" or "I'm the owner and can help your business if you see me." I always shoot back that I hate TER, the guy who owns it is a POS, and he can basically shove it.

Most of the girls I work with now are not thrilled to have all their session info on his site, but they're afraid to have it pulled because so many So.Cal clients read the reviews. One provider had her reviews pulled and her business dropped considerably.

I personally had a run in with them...they traced my IP address! and banned me because I was posting "Come see me" (by request of the girls I work for) ads on the discussion board for the 'very well reviewed' girls I work with and they felt because I had more than 1 log in, I was ripping them off or whatever...bad business on there part.

Anyway- I wish that he could be exposed as the asshole that he really is...
Super Booker

Dave owner of TER ABUSE  (again) From 12/7/05 E-mail
my name is xxxx (from Las Vegas)  and till yesterday I was the highest reviewed escort on TER I had 300 stellar reviews, yesterday they were all removed.not because they were false or anything unscrupulous, I have the best reputation (did) dave informed me the last time he did this (2yrsago) I could fix it for #39 dollars "whats $39 ?" I asked " a one way ticket to LA" said Dave.

I refused then and I refuse now ,I am upset of course I have the best reputation, really people LOVE me and I LOVE what I do,I would appreciate any advice you can give except how to get my reviews back, that I do not want I have copies of all of them, and am going to post all 300 on my site, in a different format of course, I am very upset about the manipulation and exhortation tactics of ,him, basically a bad client, thats what he is ,a bad client with a big bargaining tool ,and being from the East Coast we don't fold to that kinda stuff, I am hoping to be able to do 1000 times better ,basically to succeed without him ,as he told me "without me you wont make a dime" none of you girls would, anyway I appreciate any insight you may be able to give and if nothing else you let me vent:) Thanks so much

Dave says, yes this type of extortion by Dave of TER (not to be confused please with me, Dave in Phoenix), is going on frequently.  Hopefully some day LE will catch up with him like they did TBD for his similar antics but charges had to be dropped since confidential sources didn't want to testify publicly.   I think you have a summary of the reviews on your site listed about as well as you can.   I'd also suggest getting more active on honest sites such as aspd.net, although it doesn't have as much coverage in your area. 

I also encourage you to make his extortion public - the only real way to hit back is to expose his dishonestly.  Unfortunately he is already known for it yet a lot of folks still support his board and use it vs. boards with honest owners.

Of course in Phoenix the Private List is known as the best source and I keep my own activities very separate from the Private List.  In fact I mainly go to Canada to participate with far lower costs and without the legal risks.  No one can accuse me of doing anything like what Dave of TER does as did TBD a few years ago before he was finally busted.  The extortion by Dave of TER probably is pimping as well as other potential legal issues having nothing to do with simply hosting the board which is a perfectly legal since we still have the right of free speech in the U.S.

9/10/05 Sensual Massage Provider Fed up with TER wants me to post this ... after some personal comments says:
... please post starting below:
I just wanted to say that I have been a full body massage therapist (not an escort) for almost 10 years now, and in the few years that I have been advertising online clients have been reviewing me (all without my knowledge or consent). Each time I find out about the reviews after they have been up for a while, because somebody mentions that they found me there or because I check my web referral page to see where my clients are clicking through to my site. Each time the reviews are "good", and each time they only create problems for me, and each time I write TER and tell them to delist me, and even though in their FAQs they state that a provider who requests to be delisted will remain that way, each time new reviews go right back up behind my back again, usually within only a month or two.

The problem with the reviews is many. First (and I have gotten better at recognizing these signs earlier on), I start getting calls from drunk kids at 3 AM and people who know NOTHING at all about what I do. This is because the reviews post the phone numbers and emails of the providers, not just the URL to their site or ad, and the clients have no need or desire to go to the ad to see what the provider is actually all about. All they know is what the largely fabricated reviews say. They bring a lot more phone calls, but no real increase in the appointments set. By the time I describe the info otherwise found on my site and these clients decide I'm not for them or I choose myself not to schedule with this type of client, most of these referrals are probably eliminated, after countless interruptions and hours on the phone.

The other problem is that I am a full body MT, not an escort. I do not offer full service, and TER is designed with full service escorts in mind, with extensive lists of questions that in my case would all be answered no, because what I do isn't comparable to an escort. But as we all know, TER will not accept reviews that aren't pumped up and "juicy". A client recently placed a review and then apparently decided that he should throw in "YMMV". I had to Google myself to find out that it meant "your mileage may vary", so he essentially was implying, even though he received a massage, that other people MIGHT receive extra services. As I spend far too much energy already trying to establish for clients that I do not offer those extra services, it is extremely annoying and often almost dangerous to have clients who are scheduling with the intentions of trying to force more from the situation.

As I've been a provider for nearly a decade, I have had regular clients who I have seen for years who have also tried to place reviews that have been rejected for not being "juicy" enough.

Sites like TER have been the single biggest reason why I have endured ultimately harmful levels of scrutiny and the discomfort of harassment and have considered having to at last quit the job I love. Given that I am an MT, clients have been telling me for YEARS how they can't find other providers who offer the same, and they wonder why. Being thrown without my consent onto message boards and review sites by TER, which are designed for ESCORTS, not sensual massage therapists, where clients think nothing of authoring reviews brazenly alleging illegal acts, has accounted for untold problems, of a nature that clients do not imagine, as they assume that we all "should" just be left alone to do our jobs (and yet everyone in the industry knows just how many countless manhours and tax dollars are spent to focus on nothing but providers). It has marred what could have been an otherwise extremely fulfilling career, and if that has been my experience, I am sure it would be the same for any other qualified therapist like myself. Which would ultimately lead to them just quitting the business, rather than deal with all the B.S.

Brittany
www.massagebrittany.com

Brittany sent me this example of a message on Craigslist
post about TER from Craigslist
http://phoenix.craigslist.com/ers/93569624.html
Date: 2005-08-26, 11:04AM MST
I just logged on to TER with my user name and password and found a review I made last year about a woman I had seen was changed. I wrote an honest description about what happen one evening, and it had been changed. It is showing a positive review on her, and I didn't write it. Watch out for Christa from backpage! Quotes prices then doesn't deliver and has a driver sitting out front of your house waiting to rush in.
this is in or around Scottsdale

And adds:
Sorry to keep emailing you, but I am just fed totally up with this TER B.S. after several times of them listing me, getting these guttural neanderthals showing up and calling, finding out I have reviews, writing to be delisted, and then going through it all over and over again. Meanwhile, their own FAQ says:

"MY REVIEW WAS REJECTED BECUASE THE PROVIDER WAS DELISTED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
The provider has asked to be taken down, banned, was caught posting false reviews, has retired, etc. In short, we won’t carry information about her anymore."

This is on http://www.theeroticreview.com/info_policies/reviewFAQ.asp

And yet when I wrote just this most recent time, and this is probably my 5th or 6th time of having to write to delist yet another new set of reviews, I got this note back:

"First we never needed your permission for posting reviews.
Second we have already de-listed you, what happens is that even if you
are de-listed when a client posts a review on you, he creats a profile with
all your information on it, this is out of our control.
I can go ahead and de-list the new profile again, but there is no
guarranty your next client would not creat a new profile for you!"

?????????

These people make no sense!!! If you have asked to be delisted, which I have, you no longer have a profile or reviews. But they write back to me, and even though their own FAQ states that a reviewer in the future attempting to post a review (which would, yes, require a new profile when you're "delisted"/no longer exist on the board) should receive a rejection notice stating that the provider is delisted and the review won't be posted, they have no system in place to ensure that that actually happens, and then claim that their own assertion in the FAQ that I will stay delisted is "out of our control"!

So in order to not be mixed up in their disgusting site, I have to play detective on the web since visitors to my site and ad who come from TER and who then see that I have an unequivocal refusal to accept being reviewed ANYWHERE don't bother to tell me that another new review has been posted, anyway (secret boy's club handshake us-against-them mentality, I'm assuming). Instead of just being able to relax and enjoy the company of a few evolved individuals who appreciate true massage, I am constantly having to detect and deflect the company and actions of secretively guttural and disrespectful TER "hobbyists" with apparently few, if any, other hobbies or use for their time but seemingingly infinite capacity for inconsideration and indelicate handling of providers' information. I never wanted these clients to begin with, these full-time escort "hobbyists", with their self-images of being in a "club" peopled with other anonymous reviewers who are much more likely to try to manipulate services and rates by invoking comparisons to the dozens of other providers they've supposedly seen (generally escort and not massage), as if I would charge differently or do things I am uncomfortable with because the other providers who want to be popular on TER offer this or that??? I don't even want to be ON the stupid site, and yet they refuse to leave me alone! I have done everything in my power to make my advertising unappealing to them, filter them out, even openly state that they are not welcome, and yet they keep coming, like mindless zombies impervious to every weapon you try to deflect them, and they cannot either comprehend and definitely not respect requests not to review me, and why? Because they get to save 20 bucks. Never mind all the harassment and unwelcome attention and real danger that their embellished fantasy reviews generate on my end. They don't want to have to pay! 20 bucks for VIP membership when they can instead write a review for a provider who doesn't want to be on a review site.
www.massagebrittany.com

8/13/05 Ad for posting reviews on TER in exchange for services.
You will love this Dave. An advertisement for posting reviews on TER in exchange for services.

I  am a VIP member on The Erotic Review. I will give you a great Review if you would like.

You will have a higher class of clients. The ones you can count on being honest, that will treat you right. I am looking for true GFE. You can be white, black, hispanic, asian or what ever. Give me a call and I can come to you today or this weekend.

Treat me right and I will treat you right with a great review. Call 4*8-0*2-2*8-7*4-6*9 or just email me. Have a great day.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/ers/90850133.html

Another post on Phoenix CraigList 8/13/05:
I post false reviews all the time on TER. I also have VIP status. I do it so I can achieve the high posting status so my reviews go unquestioned when it comes time to place a bad one. You see it's all a game. You people who take this so seriously make me laugh.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/ers/90877625.html

There is a report exposing TER owner Dave even back in 2002:
 http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff22194.htm

Also see: http://pleasureportal.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=372

7/05 Dave of TER "single most important person in the escort business"
The Erotic Review (TER) Helps create the $2000/hr escort - Natalia of New York Confidential
Jason, owner now incarcerated at Rikers Island

The main vehicle was the aforementioned TheEroticReview.com, “the Consumer Reports of the escort industry,” according to the site’s founder and owner, the L.A.-based David Elms, a.k.a. Dave@TER. “The most important thing was to break Natalia out big,” Jason says. “To get the ball rolling with a number of fabulous reviews, I sent her to some friends, to sort of grease the wheel. I knew those 10/10s would keep coming, because no man wants to admit he got less. They’re brainwashed that way.”

If any hobbyist had the temerity to hand out a paltry 8/8, or even a 9/10, he would be contacted. “Don’t break my girl’s streak, this is history in the making,” Jason cajoled, offering to throw in a couple hours of free time to get the customer to do a little recalculating. If that didn’t work, good reviews could be ensured by the $5,000 everyone working at NY Confidential (except Jason) swears was FedExed to Dave@TER on the 15th of every month. Dave, who says he “would not argue with that” when asked if he is the single most important person in the escort business, vehemently denies any payoffs, from NY Confidential or anyone else.

With her 10/10s piling up, Natalia’s hourly rate jumped from $800 to $1,200 with a two-hour minimum. (The split: 45 percent for the escort, 45 percent for the agency, 10 percent for the booker.) If clients haggled, they would be told to call back when they were “more successful.” Jason says, “I always ask prospective clients to give me strong points about themselves, where they went to school, if they’re good-looking. It established rapport but also put them on the defensive, let them know that I was interviewing them, to see if they were good enough to go out with our girls.”

Jason’s hyping sometimes was faintly embarrassing. “Jason would be saying, ‘Natalia is the greatest escort in the history of the world, as good as Cleopatra or Joan of Arc,’ ” says Natalia, “and I’d be like, ‘Jason! Joan of Arc was not an escort, she was a religious martyr.’ Then he’d be saying I was the greatest escort since Mary Magdalene.”

In the bedroom, Natalia was a superstar, an escort in demand by Wall Street traders and NFL quarterbacks alike. Her boss, Jason Itzler, who called himself the “King of All Pimps,” wanted to turn his brothel into a Playboy-style national empire, with Natalia as its crown jewel—and his wife. A love story.
From long article at "The $2,000 an-Hour Woman"  http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/nightlife/sex/features/12193/index.html

1/30/05 Another TER Scandal
This time on the New York Board related to Busted NY Confidential Agency. Owner Jason active on TER and apparently gave expensive gifts to TER owner Dave

9/4/04 TER Report
By all means do print my description of what happened to me at TER. I am very angry at the way I was disrespected and I have every reason to believe that the people who put together that particular website do not like women in my field at all.

The clients who came to me expecting an escort were plentiful....it must have been those "juiced up" reviews. When i needed to speak up for myself and threatened TER with a suit of slander they removed the three false reviews that were posted of me and eliminated my name and my good reviews. When my clients tried posting good things about my services their reviews were sent back to them as not being juicy enough for posting. Finally when I requested my name and number to be reenlisted all of my emails were ignored and I lost credibility as being a good service because I was not even listed on TER.

Yes go ahead and share this information with others so they don't feel so bad.

Thanks again,
Diana from the Chicago Eros Guide  (massage not FS)
Her original Note I was seeing if she wanted to share publically:
Dear Dave,
I am a tantrika in the Chicago area and I am so relieved I found your site. I thought I was the only one who had been mistreated by the Erotic Review until I came to your review site link this evening.

Last year I was the butt of some angry client's joke. He had posted reviews of me being a dominatrix and stated I had punched him repeatedly on his testicles after he asked me if I provided Blow jobs or sex. This was a client I had seen ages ago who was angry because I did not provide a full service. The review of me was placed twice in a row within that year and I was so angry and hurt I contacted the Erotic Review and defended my rights and threatened them with legal force if that particular review should continue to be posted up there.

I was removed and completely delisted from the erotic review after my email and all my positive reviews were removed as well which ended up hurting my business. There are many potential clients who question me even to this day as to why I am not listed and I tell them exactly why and they are in disbelief. I hope that the more people find out about the erotic review, the more people will be incited to start a better review site. Then again I am a bit relieved that certain raunchier posts of mine (which were untrue) were likewise removed especially if police were scanning the erotic review so frequently.

I am happy you had this website available and I keep hoping more clients read your views and understand that the erotic review is a sham.

Love,
Diana from the Chicago Eros Guide

5/5/04 Yet another upset provider Dave of TER tries to get free sex from:
Hi Dave,
I just want to comment about TER and how rotten it really is. My name is xxxxx from http:xxxxxx.com  . I used to be a member of TER until Dave took down all my reviews, he did this because he wanted to sleep with me for free, and promised he would put them back up if I did. This is completely unexceptible and is malicious by his intent. Girls that do end up sleeping with him sometimes get their reviews back up but are not guaranteed that it will not happen again. This is how he gets his girls and how he preys on women trying to make a living in this field and how he abuses the power of his site. The sad thing is that many guys put a lot of weight on this site believing that the reviews are real and base their decisions on which escort they should get from these reviews. Not all reviews on this site are real, if you pissed off Dave in any way or don't sleep with him he will trash your reviews or just outright take them down. He has no respect for the women or the clients that actually pay to be on his site. His site now is for his own self gratification and because of this he is hurting a lot of hard working women. Thanks Dave for listening. Cxxxx

Dave notes have permission from her to share details and who she is to warn others. ALSO hopefully no one will confuse me, "Dave in Phoenix" with Dave who owns TER !!!! As everyone who knows me knows, I have never and will never do this with providers for private list reviews etc. Nor have I ever chased providers for free sessions for reviews like xxx in Phoenix admits is the purpose of his POST- for free sex from providers.

4/23/04 TER and COPS
Hi dave,
i wanted to let you know what happened to me today maybe you could share it with others on your website.

i have a few reviews on the TER. today i got a phone call from a man named "Omar" he made an appointment specifically said he didnt want to talk details on the phone with me. which is odd usually i have to tell them to stop asking so many questions.

when he got to my hotel he asked if i was britney i said yes, invited him in and he came in along with 3 uniformed officers. I was not arrested, i was not ticketed i was searched and told that i had to leave the city of burbank. they had with them all the pictures ive used in ads for the past couple of weeks, (one i had just put up on a site that day) they told me they saw me on the TER and they named 2 people i saw from there, the only two people who gave me not so great reviews. they named them by name, mike and kevin. (everyone else who reviewed me i can verify who they are, i just started to get reviews) they had a copy of my ID, they searched my room told me to leave burbank.

i know that the only way they could have the names of the two men i saw who reviewd me on the TER was to get it FROM the TER.

i had written Dave of the TER regaurding the not so great reviews and asked him to look into them because of of the reviews only writes bad reviews about girls. dave told me that the reviews would stand. i complained about that.

i beleive i was set up by the TER. I have heard that dave tips cops off. the burbank police sure were talking like they were tiped off to me. i now have to change my name, numbers and all of my ads. i lost money on the room i had reted as it was a weekly place. the police told me that the hotel had asked me to leave, the hotel manager said he didnt do that.

obviously the Burbank police wanted me out of the city limits (it was all very OK corral) but how did they know about me? they said it was from the TER. well anyone can read the TER and find someone, but nowhere in my reviews does it say what CITY i am in, no where in my reviews does it say the real names of the men i saw. that information had to be gotten from the TER as i had only been in the city of burbank for 2 weeks when i started to get reviews.

i thought i would share this with you in hopes it would help others
Britney Love
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TER Comments
I received a huge amount of E-mail about TER due to my comments last week and all were thrilled that TER was being exposed.

For example from a provider About TER
Wow, Hi there! I had these probelms with dave at TER. I didn't know people had enough Balls to talk about it, unless they are really well established. But it can sink your business if your not connected. Just when i got noticed and a good reputation I got popped and guess what they said they opened their investigation from the reviews on TER. I refused to send any of my ladies for free (To serve TER owner Dave) and it made little or no money for a good 8 months. I was sick over it. I work hard to offer honest, dependable, discreet service.

Another Provider in LA about TER
thank you for telling the truth about ter
tried to warn all the guys about a police sting on sunset blvd the post was removed
and he got sex from a friend of mine who had troble with her reviews
thank you again

Another Provider from LA busted via a TER sting against an outcall:
I had a great clientele and rep b4 the crap hit the fan. Now that I read some of the post I am sorry to say that I am sure Dave had something to do with what happened. He never liked me and made it impossible for me to profit or succeed. WOW how could one person want to fuck with so many people. Control freak

3/3/04 - Police Stings
TER Police Sting Report - this time from San Diego
Hi Dave:
I have been following your web site for some time now as your passion always matched my position. In a society where politicians prostitute themselves and our tax dollars, why are we worried about behavior between consenting adults?

But I have a specific case as to why I am writing today. I was just caught in a sting here in San Diego. I pulled up a new girl on TER, one with just a couple of reviews and the reviewers had reviews on other girls as well. It all looked above board. When I called her, she kept pressing for details on what I wanted to do -- that should have set off my alarm bells, but hind sight is usually much better than foresight. Finally, I said "you know a half-and-half session, nothing kinky." She said back "okay, straight sex."

When I got to the room, she asked that we "take care of business first" and that's when the two cops busted through the adjoining door.

The cops are telling me that I can get off with a "disturbing the peace" charge if I go to hooker school. My question is should I just accept what San Diego PD is offering? Or should I get a lawyer? If so, how do I go about finding a discrete decent lawyer?

I know this may be a bit afield for you. But I do really appreciate any advice you may have.

Thanks,
John

Dave's reply:
TER has been hit before with stings in various cities. BTW, can you tell me who the provider was that was the cop. TER will not allow the information to be posted to warn others for legal reasons, but I am curious.

I am of course not an attorney. But I would prefer not to have to plead guilty to anything if I could help it. But if you have any good defense to the charge would have to involve a lawyer to examine what exactly happened. Often a lawyer can find something not done properly to help you but sometimes probably not.

I do not have any lawyers in your area to recommend. I have passed your request to a respected defense lawyer active on the Phoenix Private List. If he has any comments I will pass them on. You might also consider using a public defender depending on your financial situation. Some of them are very good, but often very overworked with large case loads so may just want you to plead guilty to the lesser charge since easier than fighting it.

John replies:
I figured that TER was not a wise place to go. Seeing as how the cops are crawling all over that site, posting something about a sting would just piss them off, I figured.

The girl who stung me was listed under "Heather" in San Diego. Her web site is http://www.geocities.com/youngheather20/slutty.html

I don't know what to do to warn off others. Perhaps you can suggest a way.

Thanks again.

Dave says, TER will not allow posting exposing stings on TER because they fear they could be charged with interfering with a police operation. There is a discussion by TER owner on a thread, I think in the legal forum. I wouldn't think the board owner would have the risk and I have no idea how great the legal risk is. But they have decided not to allow (delete) any posts pointing out LE sting posts or warning of sting reviews.

I have no idea how you can warn others. That of course is why TER is so popular for police to set up stings to catch customers. I would also guess that "Heather" might be a real sexworker who got busted and the Police took over her site, post messages and fake reviews to get customers in to bust. That's what our Sheriff Joe did when busting 72 escorts a few months ago and took over the homes and phones to have customers come. They were even shown on TV but all charges were dismissed based on entrapment. YOU might have some entrapment defense but you need a good lawyer to evaluate that.

Update: If you do a search on TER there are a few posts indirectly warning about Heather. In fact from 11/03
Re: Info on Heather? Listen to Sparker, he has a Muslim's nose for..
Posted by Rugburn , 11/3/2003 6:20:29 PM
Pork. 24 hour free room and board are your only hope with this one!

Also someone posted a warning on http://www.geocities.com/nostinkingbadges2000/BadgesBandito.html?1077652022812

But there are also 2 positive reviews and a positive discussion board post, obviously done by LE.

Back to Other TER problems:

Note Quotes from Public Boards, shared with no commercial purpose under the fair use educational provisions of the U.S. Copyright Law and International treaties.

A High Rating Requires Unsafe Activities
The TER RULES:
(Home/Escort Reviews/Submit a Review). This calls up a big page of info "Guidelines for submitting reviews". You had to click "I agree" at the bottom of this page before the actual submission form to come up, so you must have seen it.

# 7 says
"In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider may only earn up to a 7, unless she also performs the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. The addition of each offering will raise her score by one point. If your review doesn’t already accurately reflect this rating system, we will adjust it. "-

11/29/03 From Dave's E-mail:
TER owner set me up
Thanks for posting the truth about the owner of TER.
I started a small escort business to help a couple asian girls get out of the house massage business where they were having to serve 10-15 customers each day! When I tried to tell the customers on TER about these girls the owner called me up. He was being all nice and asking me all these questions. One of which was that he wanted one of the girls to come over and do him for free which I refused. Then the next day he emails me that I've been banned from TER warning me that prostitution was illegal and that he recorded our conversation and would turn it over to LE if he ever saw me on TER again.

I wish there was a way to expose this slimball on TER.

August 14, 2003
Public Board Post about TER 8/14/03

TER cannot be trusted. I tried to post a negative review on a provider, whose pictures on her Web site are *very* old and who actually was drunk when she received me and also had a bad tobacco smell, and they will not publish my review because it "not consistent with the other reviews".

Of course, most of the other reviews are fake. People make up fake reviews with juicy details in order to get a free membership.

One day I posted a review and they first refused it because the details were not "juicy" enough and I rewrote it by giving stupid details on how I performed a DATY and how she performed a BJ on me.

Therefore this provider will keep getting clients who trusted TER.

I'll never trust this Web site again!!!

July 29, 2003 Update
TER Horrors
I have been pointing out the "juicy" review requirement of TER for reviews to be accepted which results in many fake reviews or upset providers due to reviews suggesting languages they don't do, but now it seems TER owner .. another Dave sadly.. is pulling a TBD or xxx game insisting on free sex for a provider to have reviews or not be banned from TER. Here are a few highlights of long discussions on a public board
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A provider says
Obviously, Baby Driver is my posting handle, which is unrelated to my working name. On TER I have several reviews that are either false, or reviews that endangered my service by stating languages that I do not speak...

I recently read something that made quite a bit of sense, being that gentlemen who want continued free use of the site must submit frequent reviews; even if they are horseshit...

I don't have any bad reviews, just reviews from people that I have never seen, some telling about services I have never offered. I tried to correct the reviews that mentioned services I don't offer, by changing the acronym, but instead I get ignored, left to defend myself alone in a room with a large man who presumes I am going to give him what the reviewer got.

Yup, my personal safety was compromised, and ignored by the crappers who run that site. Many other sites bad mouth providers involvement on escort message boards, but when it concerns my mental or physical safety, I could care less what they say or think.
Baby Driver
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Amy Taylor , Fri, Jul 25, 2003
I have had my own issues there, falling out of favor because I would not agree to be picked up and brought to his home to "date" him (sans pay, of course). When I finally told him I would be happy to go out as business associates, but that I would not be coerced into sleeping with him, he removed all positive posts that men made about me, and refused to let me even join discussions (even though I have been a paid VIP member for two years). When I asked him what his problem was, he did not reply...my membership was simply cancelled.

In my humble opinion, he has lost control of himself. That does NOT bode well for his site...organizing crime while pissing off people, and attempting to control the success of ladies by attacking those who will not sleep with you and removing so-so reviews of the ones that do (yes, there are a couple who do "see" him, and their mediocre reviews get removed very rapidly...many members know this) doesn't constitute good business practices.

Ladies, don't worry about this--escorts were around WAY before TER, and will be arond WAY after. His site doesn't drive the industry, your services do. In short, he needs the escort business to have a review site; you do not need TER (or any review site) to be an escort.
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A man says:
Well, I think my posting days at TER are over. As someone who's positive posts regarding Amy have been censored, I probably should have resigned long ago. I know Amy to be a woman of impeccable integrity and we can all be assured that she speaks the truth. We may never know the depths of this scandalous behaviour, but it is heroic of Amy to lay the truth of her experience on the table, even though her sterling reputation protects her from the inevitable backlash.
The scariest thing about this situation is the threat of LE - really this behavior puts TBD's legal troubles in perspective. All TBD did was create a forum for ladies and gentlement to mix (and make some $ in the process, this is America). The behavior ascribed to Mr. TER is extortion, pure and simple. We are all best off far, far away from that forum.
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Another
It works the same for hobbyists who have not only been banned, but have been threatened with exposure. Mistakenly happened to me because of a friend who used my computer and my credit card to sign up. When he got into a beef with them, I was the one who was threatened. Not a good feeling. Really pissed me off,
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Another
Welcome to the real world of SP Review Sites. TER is very powerful, especially in the West. IMHO, they lord their power over anyone who would dare disagree with or question them. Posters get banned and threatened with exposure (that is why I remain anonymous) and escorts get delisted and threatened with LE trouble. Therefore, both are afraid to stand up for themselves and certainly won't risk their positions for someone else.

I have heard many stories of threats against both posters and escorts. I do not know for a fact that they are true, but when you hear the same thing numerous times from different sources, you naturally think that there must be something to them.

Everytime a post like this comes up, it immediately dies. No one wants to take the chance of confronting the "powers". I am a case in point; I could tell you first hand problems that my friend and I had with TER, but it is not worth any potential trouble for me to get involved.
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Another
Daniella/Sophia was an escort known for greek who got amazing reviews...all 10s. Daniella was a post-op but did not admit it. David saw 'her' once a week for a greek freebie in exchange for glowing reviews. 'She' did not renew her ad at LAExotics or CV because 'she' made so much money off TER it was incredible, like a grand a day. David knew she was a post-op but did not post that in his reviews of 'her' nor did he allow anyone to mention it in a post as I had tried but was censored. (I had personal knowledge of Daniella at one time having a penis) Guys started figuring it out over time and finally one client realized it out afterwards and went ballistic on TER until David had to remove 'her' profile.

Now that is one sick idiot to do that to the guys! Think how many guys reading those great reviews ended up having a homosexual experience with a castrated male just because David has a thing for Transies. DISGUSTING!

This goes to show you guys NOT to put all your trust in any review site!
Link: Veronica Franco
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Another
I know girls who sleep with David for good reviews (he posts their reviews under various aliases) and protects these girls from less than glowing reviews. David has hurt his own credibililty and made his site of no use. Amy has done nothing to hurt him, except tell it like it is about David!

David approached a very close friend of mine when her profile was incorrect and a review of another girl with the same name was listed on her profile. After I notified David of the error, he called my friend and was very arrogant and rude. He said he would need to see her for himself and that he doesn't pay and he went on to state specific sex acts (one without a condom) that would be required of her because "plenty of other girls will do it".

Another girl I know who saw him for a while said he was very creepy and a real hanger-on and hard to get rid of. He would say "Oh I don't have any money" yet he drives a brand new Mercedes.

There are certain providers who have NOTHING but all high marks and we all know that no matter how beautiful, nice or accomodating a provider, there is some a**hole who will put her down yet certain "less than" types get these over-the-top reviews and its just laughable.

TER has gained a low-class reputation because of David's own behavior.
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Another
Amy is telling the truth.
I have been waiting for the day when David was publically called on his game! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
His ego is absolutely amazing!
Desi
Related link: Veronica Franco
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Another
Was on a trip with a lady whom he had banned from TER, because he suspected that she had gotten a review from another provider. In actuality, another gentleman (who actually was living with the other provider) posted the review from the other provider's PC. I was helping her set up her laptop, which I had bought for her as part of her compensation to be with me for that trip, and she showed me the message. Dave banned both providers, and ended up offerring to reinstate the ladies if they proved thier legitimacy to him by giving him a freebie. I saw the e-mail with my own eyes. There was NO MISTAKING it's content. He flat out offerred to reinstate the lady in exchange for a freebie. That is simply corrupt. I had heard 2nd and 3rd hand stories of this happenning, but I had never seen it with my own eyes before this event, which occurred in April. Subsequently, several other ladies told me that the same thing had happened to them.
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On a Different Los Angeles Board
It's become apparent to me that the main reason that the TER owner even spends the time running that site is that he gets his jolleys by controlling the ladies, and extorting sexual favors out of them. I personally can attest to at least a half dozen ladies who have been banned for some perceived offense, and then offered the "opportunity" to be reinstated by giving free sexual favors to the owner of the TER site. A couple of them, whom I won't name, have actually admitted to me that they DID provide the freebie, and sure enough, they were immediately reinstated as members in good standing. Several other ladies I know, most of whom are VERY successful in this field, told me that they turned the offer down, and just as clearly, they are, to this day, banned by TER. There are words for what that scumbag who owns TER is doing, and those words are "racketeering" and "extortion".

I am PROUD to have been banned from that site for the sole reason that I came to the defense of a couple of ladies who were victims of this appalling treatment.
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A very upscale high end provider told me the same thing. ... owners of TER said she wasn't real! Banned her and her reviews unless she payed the owner a visit. She didn't and has been banned since. The bad thing about that is she has no faith in these sites because of TER and the bad rep they have.

I wish all the ladies who frequent TER boards and this board would get smart and do a reverse ban on TER. Don't go to that site and don't post looking for clients there. Don't buy ad space. Ladies you hold the power you all should turn the tables on these TER creeps. This will just continue as long as they have the traffic. The only reason they have the traffic is because of the ladies. Ladies you need to wake up and smell the TER BS.

Earlier Comments on TER:

I was a TER member for a long time Vip even. Didn't really like TER from the first review I did. It was a honest review of someone and they changed my rating! After this happened a few times it started to piss me off. Then I got ripped off by an ad in a bait and switch type of scam. I posted the review and they found every excuse not to allow it. It was from an popular escort web site with verified photos who also had a banner ad on the TER site. These were photos I later found out of a playmate who doesn't escort. After all the proof etc they still would not post the review. After a few emails arguing the point with them I was banned. It was obvious to me then that TER is a joke
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I'm not one to gossip (eh right), but from what I've heard the dude that heads TER makes the former owner of TBD look like Peter Pan. The man is corrupt in the most awful way and just based on the reviews, policies and the way women are generally regarded on that site, I for one would not lament his eventual down fall.
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From a provider:
I actually asked repeatedly to be removed from the site because of blatant false reviews. I mean, these reviews inculuded things I do not do and consider unsafe, and all I finally recieved was a curt reply that I had been "delisted". Sorry but any web site that lacks in areas for me to respond directly, whether it be a false review or a personal attack, is just not worth it. They acted like I was crazy for asking reviews with scores of 9 and 10's to be removed and didn't care that the reviews were false (not many, I only had two or three) so I just told them to bugger off and take me off all together. And I can honestly say, my business hasn't suffered a bit!!
Alexis
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"I have been a VIP TER member for three years and had become somewhat disenchanted by so much bullshit reviews, embellishment and rip offs that, I've stopped reading the reviews and when my membership expires I won't be renewing."

Also there have been reports of guys trying to get free services in exchange for favorable reviews on TER.

This E-mail was forwarded to me from an upset provider:

>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 8:36:45 -0500 >
>Dear xxxxx
>Would you consider doing sessions for reviews. I am a member the TER now. Please let me know if this would interest you. I am quiet sure that it would only increase your exposure in the valley & it would also be posted by a reliable source. Please consider my request before you make up your mind. Thank you for any consideration given to me. I hope hope not to offend you or compromise the integrity of your business by making this request. Thank you.
>xxxxxxxxxxxx
>PS. I would appreciate it if you kept this request between each other and no one else, if you know what I mean.

12/11/02 TER Comments
Someone send me a copy of their letter "We Miss You" since person hadn't logged in for so long.

Dave replied: I would think TER wound be doing great with the TBD fallout, but I think there reputation for fake juiced up reviews for approval is getting more widely known as well as their board censorship much like TBD. Too bad, if they were more honest they could be a good board.

He replied: I thoroughly agree - I put a single review up there a couple of months ago and it got downgraded for not having enough pornographic details (true or otherwise).

Based on that, I decided that it wasn't a healthy place to be since most of the 'good' reviews must therefore be barefaced lies just to get a showing. I'm quite happy with your little list, thank you very much :)

11/30/02 TER Update (The Erotic Review Board) The fake juiced up review problem continues

I am amazed this wasn't censored from the main discussion board. When I posted questioning the juicy review policy, I was censored and no longer allowed to post on TER! Too bad TER isn't an honest board since otherwise it would be a alternative to TBD. Not sure if the board owner isn't another TBD however, I've had some providers E-mail me about someone claiming to the owner of TER seeking favors, but could didn't know if really was the owner or not and I have no clue about the owner other than he is obviously not seeking honesty in reviews.

Posted by Lauren , 11/30/2002 9:16:18 AM
I could not agree with you more. I do think that free membership with submitted and approved reviews undermines the system. I met with a gent that had submitted a review of someone and it was rejected because it was not juicy enough. He now has his brother write his reviews. Not very good. I also notice that on some reviews written about me, that a lot of truths were embelished....Made me wonder if I was really there, but then again.....in one scenario I know the writer wasn't there. Poetic license is the answer in a lot of scenarios. Although not all....but I guess with every system there are those that will undermine it for all and those that will be honorable to it.

Reviews should be unbiased and truthful....no lady or gent should suggest and or barter for a review in anyway shape or form....again, it undermines the reason for the system to begin with. That is why I refuse to discuss them with the gents that I meet with....General discussions and opinions such as this...yes, but never is a review about me ever discussed or bartered for. You will be shown the door or deleted from email if it is even suggested.

Posted by rowdyone , 11/30/2002 11:21:09 AM
If reviews are honest, they can be a great help to hobbyists seeking to contact a new provider. It tells him what to expect and can be very helpful in avoiding "problems". I have never posted a review of a lady who I have not actually seen. I suspect some of the hobbyists may post phony reviews and there is now doubt that some are "very creative" and are little more than their fantasy. I have complained to TER about erroneous review details of ladies I have seen and had been very successful in getting them corrected.

We all need to be deligent and contact TER if we see discrepencies in the reviews.
To the providers - If you see a review by a guy you did not see, let TER know and why not post a note in the general discussion section?

Just curious how come you have been successful in getting TER staff to follow your recommendations on pulling reviews from TER? I ask this question b/c I have seen situations where TER staff have pulled a providers review for no good reason other than a website link has gone bad. In one case, I knew a provider who had a "phoney" written up and it was never withdrawn by TER staff. Strange how things work. I can understand why some hobbyists on this board are skeptical of the stuff that is at times posted on this board. just my 2-cents.

Posted by wallyc , 11/30/2002 1:45:24 PM
Just curious how come you have been successful in getting TER staff to follow your recommendations on pulling reviews from TER? I ask this question b/c I have seen situations where TER staff have pulled a providers review for no good reason other than a website link has gone bad. In one case, I knew a provider who had a "phoney" written up and it was never withdrawn by TER staff. Strange how things work. I can understand why some hobbyists on this board are skeptical of the stuff that is at times posted on this board.

Dave notes: The best juicy reviews aren't pulled since that is what TER seeks, not honest reviews. This has been well known for many years, reviews that aren't juicy enough will not be accepted. I've had many reviews rejected because they are honest and not juicy fantasies. And I don't believe in a juicy suck by fxxk report even if true. When I raised the issue I was banned from posting on TER.