11/25/07 Bad experience in angeles city (Common Scam)
God evening Dave....
I went through your pages and found out how informative it is.To the benefit
of the most guys i am posting my personal bad experience i had in angeles
city in last october.2007. I became friendly with a girl through a famouse
web page. I was carring on with her for about 6 months and we use to chat
with each other often. We use to excange photos on the web.She use to see
me live onmy cam and she never appeared on a cam and her reason was that she
dont have one. Her photgraph and biography still appears in de web page looking
for a foreign bf. I had places so much trust on her and use to send money
whenever she requested. In october i send her a message that i want to comeover
to angeles city and meet her.She said, that she was very happy to receive
me in her country. I arrived angeles city on the 16th oct, and looking for
her in the airport she was not found ,although she promised she come to the
airport to pick me up. I checked into to my hotel room and i phoned her and
found out she was having a shower to get ready to come to meet me. I waited
for about 2 hours and phoned her again.This time her aunty spokeand said that
she is shy to come to meet me.I replied to her aunty that within 15 minuts
i will arrive at your address. To my shock and embarrasement her aunty told
me that she is a gay. Everthing happened like a dream.
Please publish my experience in AC for the benefit of the numerous guys who
surf on the net loking for women.
Philip from Malaysia
9/9/07 Witch-hunt for Under Aged in the Philippines
Blue Nile Group Raid - Angeles City
From ANGELES CITY NEWS June
This raid, like several recent raids, did not comply with many of the legal
requirements that should be followed by the NBI (Similar to our FBI) when
conducting a inspection or a raid in any city. In addition to not notifying
the local government so city police could accompany the NBI on the raid, this
time they took it a few steps further by detaining customers, pointing firearms
at customers, threatening customers, and even attempting to arrest customers
wives and girlfriends. Fortunately, no one was injured and all the customers
were released after 2-3 scary hours. Five buses were brought in and 334 employees
were taken to Manila. The majority were released within 24 hours without formal
charges being filed. As of the date of this newsletter 2 foreign managers
and 5 local floor managers were still being detained.
Later Followup Report: ANGELES CITY NEWS September 2007:
The seven individuals spent a total of five weeks in jail and all eventually
all charges against them were dropped and the case dismissed.
The operation was large involving two teams of NBI agents and they hit Blue
Nile, Blue Nile Executive, Neros and Bedrock simultaneously. While conducting
the raid normal customers were detained in the bar they were visiting in some
cases for nearly three hours. The NBI agents were armed and threatened to
use their guns should people become unruly.
They took the people to the NBI headquarters in Taft Avenue Manila. Here in
Manila the BNG employees were questioned and many of the dancers were subjected
to dental checks in order to determine if any of the girls were under age.
Out of all the girls they arrested they found a grand total of ZERO underage.
Not one underage girl was found by the NBI.
After being detained the majority of dancers and staff were simply let go
and put out on the street in Manila with no money and no means of transportation
back to Angeles. Seven people were detained for a further five weeks at first
in the NBI headquarters in Manila then at a later date in a jail in Angeles.
The mission order was drawn up on the basis of a complaint lodged by an anonymous
representative of a group calling themselves the concerned citizens of Angeles
city. This complaint stated that within the BNG bars there were cocaine parties
involving minors as young as ten years old. This is of course a totally false
statement and noticeably the complaint was not signed by any particular person
and no person has come forward to claim responsibility for the complaint.
The seven people detained by the NBI were charged with human trafficking.
After a period of time the prisoners were transferred to jail in Angeles while
the BNG lawyers fought to get the case and the charges dismissed. After a
further period of time and intensive legal negotiations the case was dismissed
however the people remained in jail in Angeles. The BNG lawyers produced a
zerox copy of the dismissal notice and presented it to the acting district
judge in Angeles (the usual judge was away on holiday) so she could then sign
an official release order for the prisoners. When presented with the copy
of the dismissal notice the Judge questioned its validity and said that it
must be verified as real by a DOJ representative. The next day the dismissal
notice was verified for the acting judge by a DOJ representative yet she still
refused to sign a release order stating that it was not within her power to
sign any release orders as she was only the acting judge.
This position went on for several days until the acting judge eventually relented
and signed the release order. Upon receiving the release order our lawyers
presented it to the prison warden and the prisoners were then released.
9/30/06 E-mail On not to judge all Filipinos based on scams
Im a 24 y.o. Filipino Catholic from Cebu, Philippines and I just discovered
your website and I think its really nice. What your doing is really an eye-opener
especially for the Filipino-Catholic community, and I think its very nice
and is not bounded by the laws of morality and traditionalism. I just have
one comment though about your article: “Philippines Intimacy/ Sex Research
I was a bit shocked reading it because I haven’t been to Makati or Angeles
City and these were the unlucky experiences of some foreigners. Though I can
say that scammers and corrupt authorities are rampant in the area. Foreigners
are not the only victims, even co-filipinos are victimized especially those
not from the said area. Manila is the Capital of the Philippines, but I guess
you know that already. However.. it does not represent the whole Philippines
and the True Filipino Culture. Manila and Makati has the highest Criminal
cases in the Philippines. So let us not be surprised about these scams and
other criminal activities, no-one will be spared believe me.
To better see the Philippines and the Filipino culture, you should go to other
places like: cebu, bohol, davao, palawan, negros. Etc.., especially on our
many Festivals like the annual Sinulog Mardigras Parade here in Cebu. You
may see the difference if you do so.. However I understand that your research
is about “Awareness & Support For Sex Workers Sexual Intimacy Opportunities
For Customers” and that is why you chose makati and angeles city.
We are all practicing freedom of press, but let us not please generalize the
whole country as that. Because Filipinos are not all scammers, if you may
talk to an Educated-Filipino who has traveled across the country, he will
tell you everything what it is to know. We don’t hate foreigners, some of
us just sometimes don’t like them because they also sometimes have superiority
complex over Asians. Racism is everywhere. Local to Foreign, Foreign to Local
even Local to Local & Foreign to Foreign. But im not a Racist,
There are also many bars, g.r.o.’s & workers here in Cebu by the way. About
20+ establishments I think. Most Caucasians come visit Cebu during December-January
and rest of the months are Japs & Koreans. Cebu could be a nice place for
your research. Only 45 mins away from Manila via plane.
9/28/06 Another Scam Report
I Traveled to the Philippines to meet a girl, I been talking to on the computer
for about 6 months. She met me at 4:30pm with her father at the airport in
Tacloban Latye Philippines ,I checked into my hotel room her father and little
causein was with her. Her father then left from the lobby ,at the same time
we decided to go shopping downtown. awe did some shopping at 6:00Pm we ate
at McDonalds ,afterwards we met some morman missonarys ,talk with themfor
a while ,the girl wanted to come back to the hotel with me to spend the night
,I had the the mormans 2 really nice guys ,I had them explain to her ,for
respect for the parents she should return home not go to hotel with me.after
our talking about 7:00PM she got on a jeepnee and returned home. All this
after she say I rape her ,then we go out shopping and supper and talk to Mormans.
I then went back to my room alone and was going to meet the girl the next
day. Early the next morning the police knocked at my door ,the girl was with
them with her employer a woman who hates Americans.
the police arrested me illegally no warrent ,they said I rape the girl and
will go to jail. The employeer was behind all this. to make a long story short,I
got a attorney and would be innocent of all charges ,but who can wait months
for a trial ,I had to return to my job and house payments etc at home the
payoff to the girl to drop the charge was $4000.00 USD I had to pay.
Filipinas know a American who travels to the Philippines has to return to
his job,and cannot afford to stay has to much to loose ,while the court system
in the philippines takes months. I will never return there again.I even had
affidavids from the 2 mormans ,McDonalds,the hotel that I returned alone and
from time I checked in the hotel with her father with her..the filipina can
file a case for anything at anytime for what ever they want .
The corrupt police and people there are the worst in the world. there are
still some good people there not all I feel are bad.many get set up and the
bars are the worst, to all stay away from the bar unless you want to loose
your money and get set up.
I have never seem so many liers cheets scams, acting ,all for the American
dollar ,I know many cases where men go there and are set up ,the filipina
they lie ,they have lazy husband or live in boyfriends who not work,all they
are good for is get the filipina PG and leave them for the next girl.and plan
set up when you fly there to meet the girl. one friend of mine support a woman
there he was doing the fiancee visa only to find out after he supported her
for 2 yeras $400.00 a month USD ,she was married lives with husband and has
2 children. what a loss he had no idea .
for anyone who travels to the philippines ,beware could be set up it is to
the point can't trust any filipina there,and you might end up in jail.or loose
all your hard earned money.
More Warnings of Philippines under aged Scam 6/2/06
The scam does down that a girl on the street gets a date with you and then
her friend asks to come along just to use the shower or some other excuse.
The "friend" is underaged although has make up and look of legal age. The
parents of the girl then report to the police that their "child" is with an
older man at the specific hotel. The police (PNP) storm in with M16's pointed
at the tourist. The child conveniently has her birth certificate with her
showing she is age 15.The police get the scared guy to pay them as much as
he can get from his ATM or has with him, often $1000 or more. According to
the subject in one report said he was scared to death and they put the M16
to his head and threatened to kill him if he said anything to anybody about
It is well known that corruption and bribes are just a normal part of doing
business in the Philippines, but this scam is being reported by tourists more
An ACTA representative was able to meet with the police involved and procedures
discussed and also the TP (Tourist Police that are separate from the local
police who are suppose to help with tourists in trouble) were able to tighten
up their procedures and learned not to leave a tourist alone until final action
is taken. In this way, no money could be extorted with the TP presence or
with an ACTA representative on the scene. However 3 nights later the same
scam happened with a Japanese tourist who spoke hardly any English.
As one person said, "There definitely appears to be an organized scam taking
place to entrap tourists in an attempt to extort money from them. There are
hundreds of licensed ladies working in the various clubs so it is not necessary
to take a chance on the street walkers. Those looking to save P1,000 to P1,200
could end up losing 50 to 100,000 pesos instead. Being caught with an underage
girl is serious trouble, even if you were tricked into thinking she was older.
The TP and ACTA cannot interfere with law enforcement, all we can do is assure
that the foreigner is treated with due process and not abused in anyway or
attempts made to extort money. Please guys, stick to the Clubs who have spent
large sums of money to provide you with safe, decent, care free entertainment,
that is your best bet to hold on to a "stay our of jail" card."
March 2006 Update:
Pleasure Tours to
Thailand and Philippines Under New Federal Legislation
Discussion and Specific Tour Recommendation
These Guided Group Tours Help Avoid The Scams especially common in the Philippines
Fake Rape charge Scam in The Manila
In response to article on from 2/05 below, about underage girls accusing you
of rape working with the Police to extort a few thousand US dollars to have
charges dropped a visitor from Australia writes:
Dave, I read your letter just before I went to Manila recently and thanks
to you I am back safely in Australia with no intentions of ever going back
to the most dishonest land in the world.
Arrived in Manila 16/3/06 and booked myself at the Hotel Palm Plaza in Mabini.
I tried to go to a safer area (Makati) but after an argument over the fare,
the taxi driver refused to take me because, he said was too congested. I arrived
at 10pm. And walked trough Del Pilar st. to a place I once knew ,called Rosi’s
Dinar, (no longer there) .I noticed the absence of foreigners . I walked to
a Beer Garden I remembered named The Rendezvous. There was a hair dressing
shop next to it and sat down to have a trim, a few minutes later a beautiful
young girl came in and started smiling and asking me the usual. Where do you
come from? Where are you staying? Etc.
The Barber asked me if I liked the girl and I replied that she was beautiful,
but I just arrived and was tired. The girl replied that was getting late and
she would love to have a bed to sleep. I told her that with her in my room
I would not be able to sleep, she said .that was no problem and followed me
to my hotel about 300m. Please note the following mistakes I made so your
readers know the signs… I walked into the hotel and the staff promptly asked
her for some kind of I.D. she replied she left it at home and than he told
me that was a problem, would I accept her without I.D. in my room.
By this time my brain was not doing much thinking and could not see any problem.
Even when something was not right I agreed and we both went inside, without
going into details, she was a 10 and I was snoring 49 mins. Later (you get
faster as you get older). At 60 you think this could be your last one.
At 8am. I waked up and asked her if she would like breakfast with me but said
she was tired so I went to the breakfast bar and within 20 mins. Was back
only to find her leaving my room as I came in. I was surprised as I had not
yet given her any money, she said she had to go to see her sister but would
come back later. I gave her 3000 pesos and she went out. Not having much to
do in my room I followed 5 mins. Later and upon leaving the lift I witnessed
the most bizarre scene on the reception counter.
There was the same young lady crying her eyes out and filling some form. At
this moment I felt my heart in shock and my brain trying to understand the
situation. It took 3 seconds for me to see the complete picture of this puzzle.
Without going one step closer I walked into the lift, pick up my backpack
and walked out trough the restaurant into a taxi. I was in panic and went
to Makati’s QANTAS office and told them an accident happen in Australia and
needed to return urgently. They put me in standby as all flights were fully
booked .I waited until 11pm. All the time thinking that if I can go past customs
I will be free again.
Dave this has been the most horrible experience of my life and even if someone
thinks I was a bit paranoid, I know full well that the police were next in
the set up and extortion soon to follow. My trip was to last 16 days, instead
only lasted 2. Please let as many people as you can know and you’re welcome
to supply my Email to anyone in similar situation. Please note the following
signs. 1/ She never mentioned money 2/No I.D.presented so I could not know
for sure if she was a minor.3/ She would not allow the use of a condom, telling
me that she trusted me.4/ Even when 3000 pesos ($US59) is a generous sum in
Manila, she never mentioned getting together again.
Dave, I will never know for sure, the fact that she concealed her age could
bring a charge of sex with a minor, as for the motive , it’s quite clear this
girls are working for corrupt local police ,either being used for favors or
on commission on the large amounts of money I would have to pay to get out
of the country.
Life in the Philippines
August 10, 2005
Hey ther. I just read what you and other people have to say about their experiences
in the philippines. I am sorry to say that I agree with them. I am filipino,
regarded as filipino american in the philippines, and I am disgusted with
everything I see and experience here in the philippines.
Before my first visit to the PI, I had pride in my heritage and of my forefathers.
This view had slowly and surely changed since then. I am a 3rd year med student
at UST, and my experiences on campus closely parallels the reality of life
in the PI. At first I blamed certain individuals or organizations or groups.
But soon I realized that the ultimate problem here is management. Congress
is always talking about passing new laws or changing how certain things are
done. New laws mean nothing if the laws already passed cant be implemented
Just look at traffic in the PI, traffic enforcement is a joke. Why do they
even bother putting lines on the streets? Thank god if you can actually see
the MMDA people doing their job or not causing more traffic themselves. Jeepneys,
busses, tricycles, and FX's have control of the road. They can go and stop
pretty much whereever they want. There are supposedly laws on vehicular emmissions,
these only apply to private vehicles.
One of the things I was told and thought to be true is the hospitality
and kindness of the filipinos. I find this only to be true in a few instances.
Most people will lie to you and try to rip you off with a smile and their
arm around your shoulder. Forget family, I have been manipulated and lied
to by these so called friends. A lot of times when I arrive here from the
states, I bring presents from my parents to my relatives. More often than
not, instead of being thankful for what they got, they ask if there's any
more or say "that's all." These ingrateful bastards. My parents are willing
to help. If you give them a finger, they want the whole arm.
I could go on all day about how the philippines discusts me, but that could
probably fill a book. There are actually some good things here in the PI,
but the bad traits exceeds the good traits by a large amount. For those who
want to visit the PI, if their not filipino I wonder why they would, I suggest
that they stay in a hotel-not with relatives, trust no one-they'll take kindness
as a weakness and don't stay in the PI for too long.
Under aged Aggressive Girls Warning in Manila
Just got back after a month in Manila on the 18th Feb, I stayed in Malate
for a week and once again i came across the old scams, I went to Robinsons
Mall about 200 yards or meters up the road from my hotel apartment, i decided
to go to the games arcade center there and with in a short while was approached
by an attractive young teenager about thirteen or fourteen, she played a few
games with me and i did not think much about it until i left an noticed that
she was stalking me through the Mall, thinking that i had lost her i arrived
back at the hotel a short while later and who do you think said hello taking
the lift before me, Mmm anyway i had a thought that she may have been staying
there with her parents.
The scam starts as she watched what floor and room i had entered by looking
across the belcony, she rang the hotel by mobile and contacted my room pretending
to be the hotel reception and asking who was in the room or if i was the only
occupant, ( i contacted the reception and no one rang) i told her that i was
with my wife and four kids and that seem to end the scam, this hotel boasts
to security and moniters all people who come and go , bullshit the guys at
the door are part of it as there was no way of avoiding them at the foyer.
Take notice to all you new travellers to Manila, this young girl was attractive
and willing if you are warped or into this type of child sex but remember
that you may be called apon by her and officers charging you with rape unless
a some of a few thousand US is paid to drop the charges. Anyway things still
the same in Manila, a few Bombs going off but still had a great time.
Just reading an article about money exchange scams, American express travellers
cheques are still OK in Manila, People say that they are hard to cash, this
is not so as if you go to the express office on the ( 5th floor of the Mega
Mall) you have no problem, no scams and a good current exchange, i use this
all the time instead of taking cash funds, yes it is hard to cash them at
other places but you just have to know where to go.
Writer wishes to be anonymous"
1/28/05 I'd like you to add my comments to your page.
I think perhaps the Philippines is getting a bad rap.
In any country, you will find the problems that you read on this page. There
is corruption, graft, greed everywhere. Let us not forget the most true saying
in all of world travel:
A fool and his money are easily parted.
I mean come on, you're going to pull out $2,000 cash on the street and hand
it to someone you dont know? What an idiot!
Rule number one in world travel: Trust no one.
Rule number two: Keep your cash in your sock
Rule number three: Dont carry a wallet
Rule number four: Travel LIGHT. Dont take fourteen stupid suit cases.
Here's some more tips for travel.
Buy clothes there! They are cheap and you wont attract unwanted attention
by wearing your $200 designer shirt.
Dont wear excessive jewlry. A cheap watch should do it.
Basically, the common sense thing is, dont travel with anything you're not
willing to part with at the airport, in the taxi, at the hotel, etc. Carrying
expensive cameras, video, jewlry, suitcases, clothes, sneakers, is asking
for trouble. You want to be as inconspicuous as possible.
I lived in the Philippines for almost four years. While, it was frustrating
many times, I did have good experiences there. I was never mugged, robbed,
cheated, although i was raped a few times by a gang of girls but I think I
paid them for that ;)
I fell asleep once on a Jeepney [DONT DO THIS] and arrived at my desitnation
unharmed, with my shoes still on. I tipped the driver P100 and he said Salamat
The moral of the story is, be a gracious guest, use common sense, and treat
people with dignity and respect. To the Filipino, Respect goes a long way.
The tips about the taxi, are right on. The taxi driver can get a ticket if
they are caught driving without their meter on, which, guess what, You'll
be paying too! If the cop pulls a taxi over with an Americano in it, haha,
you're gonna pay pal. The way to do it is, tell em to turn the meter on and
you'll tip him good anyway. Just say to the driver "Maraming salamat" [thank
you very much]. Dont be a cheapskate. Your money goes a long way over there,
throw a little around but dont show em your wad.
|Angeles City moves to shut down Internet prostitution
|The Philippine Star 11/30/2004
|ANGELES CITY — The police has created a task
force here to clamp down on Internet prostitution following a series of
raids that confirmed the existence of the illegal Internet activity.
Police Station 4 chief Efren Miranda said that city police chief Senior
Superintendent Jimmy Restua created the Cybersex Task Force to conduct
surveillance operations and raid establishments believed to be engaged
in cybersex. Senior Inspector Luisito Tan was designated head of the task
Restua cited reports that women, mostly migrants from other provinces,
have been employed by such establishments to pose naked before Web cameras
(webcams) and follow instructions, almost always sexually oriented, of
viewers from all over the world who pay via credit cards for access to
Restua said that the creation of the task force was in line with the order
of Mayor Carmelo Lazatin to transform this city, which used to host a
US military facility at Clark Field, into a wholesome, family-oriented
November 2004 Economic Terrorism Against Foreigners in the Republic
of the Philippines
I read your article dated 1999. I am in the Philippines now as with many
foreigners that I know. We mostly are victims of Filipino business partners,
girlfriends, wives and corrupt officials. Most believed before arrival
that even though the Philippines was a poor nation the people were honest
and good, that's why we came.
However, that is not the case, many foreigners have lost everything, through
fabricated cases, extortion and shady dishonest officials. The foreigner
is truly persecuted in the Republic of the Philippines, in a very racist
and inhumane way.
Don't ever return and spread the news, it's like living hell here. We
need help many Americans and other nationalities are kidnapped by government
officials and are dying a slow painful death. I know of over 100 foreigners
in a semi-personal way, and many other thousands, that I only know by
word of mouth, the embassies are slow to react and don't know what to
do, since the foreign victims are captive by government officials and
the law is very dishonest, documents are faked and lives are destroyed.
We live in constant fear of being killed, tell the U.S. government don't
send any more money until the Philippines changes and gives foreigners
the same rights and freedoms as foreigners get in the U.S.A. and other
We need help, news, tv anything, people are dying.
Dave notes: Sounds like the corruptness is similar only worse than what
I reported from my 1999 trip
Manila Scam Feb 2004
I am reading articles about money changer scams in Manila because I was
ripped off for about 40,000.00P! Because of a commercial lease I was changing
$2000.00US and we just happened to be coming out of Robinson’s Mall and
a young man came up to me with a list of all the currency’s of the world
and the U.S. dollar was right at the top showing an exchange of 57.00
pesos per dollar and the best I’d ever had before was 55.6 per dollar.
I should have known but the man even said the markets were up. I was skeptical
until he was able to point directly to a money changer booth with bars
and all only 3 business faces up the street. Since I was with 3 close
friends I decided to go for it. At first I handed only $100.00 and then
I saw a huge pile of 500 peso notes so I said, “Ok wait, here’s $2000.00;
can I use your calculator.” We did the math and it was 114,000.00. I swore
I kept my eyes on that pile of money the entire time and it was counted
out twice. The second time we counted it and separated it into 10k stacks
even. We used his calculator but a man came into the money changer and
I glanced at him for a split second. It’s the only time I can think that
the man may have palmed a stack from the top of the pile. We ended up
only putting 1 month down on the commercial spot instead of 6 months.
So I went back to the rental house and plopped the huge wad of money back
into my back. Several days later I counted it and it was severely short.
I arranged polygraph tests for my two maids in Mandaluyong City for 1,500.00P
per test. I highly suggest taking advantage of this valuable service for
anything that comes up. It was only when I met with an American who has
been coming to the Philippines for 16 years was it that I was able to
understand what had happened to me. I’m severely bitter and missing a
huge amount of my savings. In my opinion the only money changer safe for
changing money is the changer in the Greenbelt malls by the Landmark in
Makati. I had always gone to them before and never had a problem.
Another tip, never let a taxi driver in the Philippines keep his meter
off. If they won’t turn their meter on then have them stop the car and
get another taxi even if you have to walk a couple blocks to do it. It’s
fine if the traffic is heavy and they want to add 10-50 pesos (depending
on the traffic) on top of the actual meter amount. If their air-con is
not working then you should collect information on the cab and submit
a formal complaint to the Land transportation department because the base
25 pesos which flags on the meter as soon as they turn it on includes
an amount for them having air-con. If you were in a car with no air-con
then the meter would start less than 25 pesos.
Update October 2003
Dear Sir, I was surfing the internet and came across your webpage. I am
a Filipino residing in my country and I feel saddened by the bad experiences
and baised opinions of the tourists have visited the Philippines. They
have not seen what the islands and the people has to offer. I think they
önly had the opportunity to see the places not worth going to (girlie
bars and clubs) and meeting the wrong kind of crowd. Should they have
been interested to see the country in its raw beauty and meet the real
hardworking pinoys, they should have packed their bags and escaped the
urban jungle to head for the rustic splendor of the provinces. Happy touring.
Scam Warning October 2003
I have been going to Manila for 20 years, and know it very well. PLEASE
let your readers know of this tired old scam. In the money changer houses
in the ermita area, and all over the tourist areas in metro manila, people
come in to exchange US money for the better than the bank rate on the
peso. While the lady is counting out the pesos she slides the stack to
you then says she needs to re check the count...she takes the money back
and acts confused and starts to count and slide money back to you, the
very second she is done a very well trained child you never see has slid
around the counter and is crouching next to you, as she again makes a
distraction and you turn to talk to her, the kid lifts about half of your
stack and slides back into the tiny opening and is gone. I, like a fool
took my money, after all it HAD been counted two times right in front
of me, and put it in my front pocket and jumped back into cab, not knowing
until later I had been ripped by these thieving Filipino sluts. This is
why the money changers pay more than the banks or hotels, and all look
alike. In the event you have a really large sum of Dollars she will signal
for her thug who is always out front, and you will get a real surprise
when you are about to get into the cab! The Police don't dive a damn,
and get a percentage of the take. Mabini street is also flooded with illegal
change shops just ready for a nice tourist like you.
Update January 2001
Estrada Resigns and Murder and "getting even" instead of getting mad continues
Mobs take to the streets of Manila after the prosecutors all resigned
in Estrada's impeachment /corruption trial. The trial was suspended when
the Senate voted not to open confidential bank records that would prove
that Estrada amassed $60.7 million in payoffs and unaccountable funds.
The economy continues in ruins with only Estrada and his cronies getting
rich by payoffs etc., but that is just normal in the Philippines.
Once at the pinnacle of stardom and power, President Joseph Estrada was
pushed off the public stage Saturday in a downfall more dramatic than
the plot of any of his films. Estrada spent a turbulent morning barricaded
inside the presidential palace as hundreds of thousands of protesters
marched toward the palace. An air force fighter jet buzzed past the palace
and four military helicopters hovered overhead - reminding Estrada that
his defense chiefs had deserted him. Protests swelled with at least 250,000
people demanding his resignation during a raucous rally at the Manila
monument (near EDSA) to the 1986 "people power" revolt with the support
of the military that threw out the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos. Estrada
finally slipped out a back door after his resignation.
It was an ignominious end to a presidency that, when it started in 1998,
Estrada called his "last and greatest performance."
He has acknowledged fathering children with several women other than his
wife. He banked on this macho charisma and a pro-poor platform in the
impoverished Asian nation of 76 million people to win the presidency with
one of the largest margins in recent memory. But he squandered his popularity
and extended his carefree lifestyle into the office. He loathed work and
many meetings were more like drinking parties than doing government business.
During the impeachment trial, prosecutors accused Estrada of breaking
the law "like clockwork," keeping a network of hidden bank accounts holding
millions in illicit funds. They said he bought a mansion for one of his
mistresses for $1.4 million while declaring only a net worth of $700,000
for the year.
Besides all the corruption the culture continues to be very violent. The
news below was BEFORE the current protests. Source: Margarita Station
mailing list - http://www.theville.com
This excerpt, with full credit, is being shared under the Fair Use
provision of the U.S. Copyright laws and International treaties for educational
purposes with no financial gain:
As you all probably know, we some very devastating bombings in Manila.
This is the sixth time there have been bombings in Manila this year. To
make it worse, most of the Filipinos believe this round of bombings to
be the responsibility of someone in government rather than one of the
armed insurgent groups such as the NPA, the MILF, the MNLF, or the Abu
Sayaf. (NOTE: The US state department has issued an advisory telling US
citizens to avoid mass transportation such as the LRT and busses, and
to avoid crowded areas like shopping malls. But, they have not recommended
against travel to Manila or anywhere on the main island of Luzon.)
In my last newsletter I mentioned the killing of John Hammer, the owner
of Thunderstruck. That murder remains unsolved, and the list of suspects
is pretty long. John was always friendly when I met him, but he had a
short temper and a record of beating up many guys. Additionally, he was
involved in numerous businesses and had more than one investor that was
looking for some return on their investments.
Unfortunately, there was another murder of a long term expat in the last
month. A popular expatriate nicknamed “Santa Claus” was found dead near
the Park Chicago Hotel in the heart of the entertainment district. His
head had been bashed in from a hollow block found near his body.
These two murders IMO do not represent a change in our security situation.
Rather, they are a wakeup call for some of us that live here to remind
us we are in a foreign country where some people don’t get mad, they get
even. It amazes me every time I see a long-term resident getting into
a fight with a local over something small like ten pisos. Stay on the
main streets at night, and take a trike home to your hotel after dark.
Ken, the owner of Silver Fox left the country after trumped up charges
of "white slavery" filed against him by Marie, the younger sister of his
ex-girlfriend. Because of his departure the Silver Fox has reverted back
to Neville (owner of the Jolly Frog) who has also hired Marie as a "GRO."
Another local expat, Australian hotel chain owner Wesley J. Prentice was
acquitted by Judge Perfecto Laguio of Regional Trial Court Branch 18 of
two counts of rape filed by a 16-year-old girl in 1998 for insufficiency
of evidence. The court cited her claims as "unimaginable, abnormal, doubtful,
and cannot pass through the strain of reason, among others." Wes spent
at least 11 months in jail where he paid about $800 a month to rent a
small air-conditioned room. (Yes he paid for his room in jail!)
"The girl, who had work as dancer in the bar owned by Prentice, had claimed
that she was drugged by the accused that caused her to fall asleep in
August, 1998. She said that ever since, she was deprived of her freedom
and was constantly under guard whenever she went out. The relationship
of the two ended when Prentice's wife discovered their illicit affair
and began harassing the complainant. The fact that the accused slept with
(beside) the complainant instead of occupying another room, considered
conjointly with the following factors inevitably tended to establish that
there was no rape and the sexual intercourse was consensual," said Judge
Laguio in his 13-page decision. The judge questioned the victim’s failure
to cry or call for help a number of times while allegedly being raped
and her failure to confide her ordeal to her friends and her classmates
in the computer school, where the accused sent her to study. Further .
. . (the victim) kept the matter to herself. It was only in December 1998
or three months after she was allegedly first raped, that she filed criminal
charges on the matter. Such passivity and inactivity create in the minds
of the court reasonable doubt as to her truthfulness and good faith, said
Dave notes: He was acquitted but not until after being in jail for 11
months! This is small example of why I prefer Thailand so much more over
the Philippines - a very peaceful society with far fewer problems where
violence is totally against Buddhist beliefs. I felt so much safer walking
the streets of Bangkok vs Manila. And as I reported all those private
guards with big guns even in McDonalds in Manila didn't provide much comfort
wondering why they were needed in most every shop in Manila!
Update October 2000
A Realistic Positive View of the Philippines:
Wise comments used with his permission from a guy who lives in PI and
has a Filipina wife. Both are very well educated professionals. He says:
"I read your article with concern. You write well and your experiences
are consistent with those I have had previously. I have spent a lot of
time studying the PI culture and think that I can live within it for a
while. Graft, utang na loob, pakikasama, poverty, exploitation and taking
the long way to say "no" can all be disheartening. But, I recommend that
you reconsider your decision to abandon PI. Not that I favor PI over Thailand
as it concerns women, but because including PI provides a much wider base
of movement with greater choices.
Erap will be out at the next election and another corrupt politican will
take his place. Tan will continue to rape the country and the country
won't complain.....too much. But, the women will still be beautiful, plentiful
and charming. The beaches will be white sand, warm and the water inviting.
The living will be inexpensive and luxurious. I have learned about the
Philippines and Thailand that above all, we westerners have to keep a
very low profile, create some "friendships" with medium officials, contribute
to the Barrio fund, and have a great time."
After my supportive response, he continues:
"It is not sufficient that a person be versed in the huge cultural differences
between Western countries and PI, but you have to buy into it at some
level. If you are put off by graft, theft by domestics, gouging by taxi
drivers, hearing "yes" when they mean "no", and political theft, then
you will have a really hard time living in PI. If one's scruples require
massaging when the barangay president requests your contribution for road
improvements which are to be made by his brother-in-law, then don't live
in that sub division.
Part of the charm and the challenge for me of living in the PI is prevailing
against the centuries of domination which have reinforced a cultural mishmosh
that combines catholicism, poverty, and political dishonesty with a presumed
genetic predisposition toward a dependent society."
Update September 2000
Wall Street Journal Article exposes
in the Philippines Keeps Getting Worse With Estrada's Tactics and Cronyism
Update October 1999
Since my recent trip to Thailand, I have lost any interest I had in the
Philippines. With all the corruption, the horrible reaction to my
honest sharing etc, I simply have no time for the Philippines. Even
without the political mess, I found the experience with women in Bangkok
and Pattaya so much better than in Manila/Angeles City. Many
others have written me and feel the same based on their experiences.
See my huge Thailand report at
with music and lots of pictures. I also have include what I hope
is a honest report comparing the pros and cons without overly emphasizing
the dishonestly in PI but more the experience with women as part of my
Thailand report (2nd from bottom right side on menu)
EXPLANATION ABOUT THIS SITE
BECOMING AN INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT
And why not completed!
As you will note I have not completed the report on the
last leg of my return to Manila after Angeles. But I have done a very
detailed extensive report of my experiences starting in Manila, Makati
and then Angeles City
I had posted the first part of the report but quickly my simply sharing
of my experience turned into sort of an international incident. I have
been threatened and warned I could be deported or worse arrested by immigration
if I ever return to PI. Why?
I clearly talk about barfines not being for sex, prostitution being illegal,
and sex is not guaranteed just because you barfine a GRO. I mention the
possibility of sex and report honestly on my experiences which didn't
always include sex. BTW, why do GROs need weekly medical checks and quarterly
HIV tests if it isn't for sex?
When a discussion arose about talking honestly about it on Angles2.com,
an Angeles discussion board, all my posts with no notice and without anyone
contacting me were removed. I also got E-mails from some of the Angles
bar owners telling me how much a threat my report was to their business.
Ironically its reports like mine that should bring the Angeles/Manila
bars more business. A number of people have E-mailed me telling how helpful
the report was and because of it they are going to visit Angeles. But
instead because I talk about sex honestly, I'm the enemy of the bar owners
and censored on their discussion board. I don't need these silly games.
There were also PI folks saying they were sending all the information
about my report to PI government officials and "we will see how they like
You have to play the game of denying sex exists to be
acceptable. We seem to have to follow the PI thinking that if you don't
expose it or talk about it - it doesn't exist. Yet that of course is why
people are interested in Angeles...coming for what officially doesn't
These experiences reinforced my negative view from my experience at the
EDSA Entertainment Complex. I was assaulted by security thugs, kicked
out and banned from the complex simply because I sat in the central area
and was writing some personal notes in a little book after visiting a
few bars, buying lady drinks etc. That story is not in the report yet
since it was on my return to Manila after Angeles which I hadn't completed.
I now have little interest in completing it due to the censorship
mentality of PI. I now expose the censorship instead of completing my
mostly favorable report and I now encourage trips to Thailand over PI.
There are many advantages to Thailand sexworkers/bargirls which
I will start reporting on as I have time.
Although the website now is very positive, if I get time I may talk more
about these situations as well as reporting on what I read in Manila papers
about police bribes, tax corruption etc. They were front page news when
I was there. I've been warned if I ever return to PI after reporting
both that sex exists and what is in their own paper I face the risk or
being arrested or turned away at immigration as an undesirable. They don't
seem to need any good reason to arrest you, they just hold you until you
pay their bribe.
No, thanks, I want to enjoy where I go, and look forward to reporting
on and promoting Thailand over PI based not at all on the girls or wonderful
clubs, but the fact I can't tell it like it is and have to play games.
There is no need for such games in Thailand, where tourists of all kinds
are welcome. Plus the attitudes from a Buddhist background are so sexually
positive vs. Catholic repression (although interestingly 2nd wives are
common in PI but not talked about).
While people in Thailand don't like their sexual attractions
advertised over other wonderful things in Thailand they don't censor or
repress factual reporting as in the corrupt PI. Even their response to
the recent Newsweek article saying Thailand's greatest assets were sex
and golf, got a polite response from Thai government officials who pointed
out some of the other wonderful attractions of Thailand.
Thailand has tourist police that help tourists, PI police look for bribes.
There is a huge cultural difference which I think needs to be reported
so men can make informed choices in their travel plans.
I've also had both E-mail and phone discussions the the founder of many
of Manila's best clubs (Firehouse chain founder) who was featured in the
80s on the cover of Newsweek as one of the best clubs in the world. He
called me since he liked my intimacy not just sex discussion on the website.
He warned me of the political situation and how I could be in danger if
I returned to PI. He told me how he decided to pull out instead of paying
for protection, political corruption fees etc. Likewise I understand lots
of the owners of PI clubs have pulled out over the years and went to Bangkok
where it is much more friendly to sex related business.
I think these are all very good reasons why tourists, especially once
they know what is going on prefer Thailand over PI. It is too bad since
if it weren't for the political situation, PI has a great deal to offer
and none of my bad experiences were related to the bargirls - I had some
great experiences as my report discusses and it never mentions any of
the bad experiences all of which except EDSA (which isn't in the report)
happened after the report was written.
Apparently the censorship is now spreading to the PI newspapers:
I was surprised how the Manila Times was so up front in their reporting
of all the corruption in Manila when I was there. From the attacks I got
from my honest PI report which did nothing more than discuss bar girls,
it is clear PI isn't into honestly or free speech.
The following post is from the soc.culture.filipino newsgroup 7/22/99;
I am afraid this may come to be known as a sad day in the history of the
Republic of the Philippines. The Manila Times has been shut down as of
today and the Philippine Daily Inquirer is under assault. Freedom of the
press and freedom of speech are being eroded if not yet completely eliminated,
and uncertain, unspecified changes in the Constitution are being sought.
These things all too closely resemble a portent of dictatorship much as
during the Marcos years.
NATIONS MOST TRUSTED NEWSPAPER CLOSED
Cops and burly men seize copies of Final Edition Another example only
wanting what they want to have published - Seek Government control of
press since it was too honest!
Do we spend tourist dollars regardless of the local political
situation or do some of us have a social conscious and even though it
doesn't directly effect our "fun" do we consider the fact a government
may be corrupt in our decision where we spend "fun" money? That
is for each individual to decide for themselves.
being accused of Rape and having to pay off huge bride to Police and Bargirl
I received about corruption and hypocrisy that needs to be exposed, and
million of funds for Philippines' poor Allegedly Diverted By President
Estrada and his family/friends Just another part of the massive corruption
Hits Philippine Stock Market - Corruption as Usual in PI
from Cebu - The real story of the guilt and issues of family of bargirls
Eva from Cebu...seems to have the typical Catholic guilt issues that are
so common. And the family situation is as I've read about. Family to support
is also common with Thai bar/ gogo/ massage girls but they don't have
the Catholic guilt over sexuality since Buddhism is quite sex positive
and being a prostitute is no big deal. They are often welcomed with open
arms by the monks in the villages when they return with $ to support the
family from working in local brothels or from Bangkok or Pattaya. Too
bad Catholism is so sex negative and cause so much unneeded guilt in pain.
NOW -THE REPORT THAT CREATED SUCH A STIR!;
Why The Philippines Introduction
And Table Of Contents For Extensive Research Report
Why the Philippines ?
Opportunity to be treated like a king.
Even an older man like me (Age 52) who happens to like younger (like in
20's) women can enjoy being surrounded by attractive, sexy women anxious
to meet you. In the Philippines, like most of Asia and also Latin
America and Russia, older men are often preferred for their maturity.
In the Philippines this is very true. As one young women told me,
"its not your age that is important but who you are".
Filipinos tend to be by nature happy, warm people. The women seem
to enjoy my type of non-sexual intimacy which I discuss in detail later.
Regulated Good Health
All the bargirls are given weekly health checks and quarterly HIV tests.
Each girl is given a health card that is stamped weekly. The customers
are mostly very low risk heterosexual males that are very unlikely to
have HIV. Still, I highly recommend you always wear a condom for
any sex you might have and most bargirls also insist on it.
English An Official Language
English is taught in all schools starting in elementary school. This makes
the Philippines less foreign seeming then many other Asians countries.
However, many of the girls didn't speak English very well since
even while they were taught English, they never use it at home,
especially if they come from the provinces. Also Filipino English
sounds different than American English.
As I will discuss in more detail barfines ranged from about P850 to P1000
($US26) This is for the right to take the girl from the bar for the evening
to your hotel. Hotel rates were also very low. I paid P1080/night in Angeles
City ($US28) and only slightly more in Manila for quite nice rooms.
Much less expensive rooms are also available.
Certainly Not Exploitive
What is a "bargain" to us foreigners is a fortune for most of the bar
girls who choose this over other lines of work. The salary they are paid
of say P150/night (I saw ads for dancers in Angela City) is about the
same or more as being a store clerk or factory worker.
As one women explained, she worked in a hellhole
sardine canning factory in Manila making P125/day, below legal minimum
wage for Manila. Swaying one's hips till 5 AM is not necessarily easy
but beats cutting off fish heads all day.
BUT...they only get P150 if all they do is show up for work and never
get a customer to buy them a drink, be barfined etc. They make about P35
on every lady drink. In Angeles they make 50% of the barfine (typically
P950) and all the tips from the man the next morning. Common is for tips
of P100-P500 in Angeles, P500-P1000 in Manila except except in Makati
where higher tips are expected. P1000 = $US 26 as of April 1999.
As one girl told me, she and many bargirls feel it is much more degrading
to work in a sweat shop factory or McDonalds than to be a bargirl and
makes LOTS more money to help their families. They much more and enjoy
the company of men for much better money.
Filipino culture is much more open than American culture it seems since
secondary wives are an accepted (but often not talked about) part of Filipino
culture. However Filipinos are also understandably sensitive about
their women being exploited for money or the idea of sex tours.
Many Filipinos are modest, but not nearly as sexually repressed as Americans.
They are not taught that sex is dirty outside of marriage, even from a
Catholic tradition vs. American women.
The women in the bars can decide whether
or not to be barfined by a customer. A barfine is a fine you pay
to the bar for lost lady drink fees to allow the girl to leave the club
early and spend the rest of the evening with you. Barfining a girl is
for companionship and is not a payment for sex. Consenting adults certainly
can share sexually, but that is not what the barfine is for.
No women, at least in the tourist area bars is forced to work or
have sex with anyone. There is no exploitation as some would like
people to believe. It sometimes is real exploitation and forced
prostitution in houses used by the locals which in the past have been
shutdown. But this is not the case in the tourist areas where all
women are licensed and bars regulated.
In this report I will discuss in depth travel hints, the culture, the
bar scene and share very openly some of my most personal experiences.
The following table of contents links to pages with a great deal of discussion
on each topic.
The women - A picture is worth 1000 words!
Bar Angeles City.
Note registration card as "Guest Relations Officer" around
first girls neck. All bargirls are registered, have weekly STD checks
and quarterly HIV testing in the Philippines.
in the Philippines
Bargirls are Registered and are available to meet men for companionship.
Payment for sexual services is not legal.
Services Are Illegal
More to Come But this is a Preview
My Travel Experience & Hints
Eva Air & Mabuhay
Manila Hotels & Walking the Streets
Corporate Inn in Ermita & Copacabana Apartment-Hotel in Pasay City
Driving (if you call it that) in Manila
Angeles City And Trikes To Fields Ave Bars
Philippine Pesos / U.S. Dollar
can be hard to understand at first
the Cabbies offer you
Cultural Information that relates to bargirl experience
The economics of bargirls and concerns
Intimacy & Companionship Guide & My Experiences
Don't Really Dance
The Bar Mamasan
Massage in Manila
& Angeles City
Intimacy Interest and Definition of Physical Intimacy
Bar Intimacy - My Approach & Techniques
Very Detailed Experiences of Dave
City Bar Girl Adventures- Introduction, Economics, Bar Costs and Great
City Bar Girl Adventures – Night 1 Details
April 9-10, 1999 Mostly Tahitian Queen & Roadhouse
City Bar Girl Adventures – Night 2 Details
April 10-11, 1999 Mostly Illusions & Margarita Station Wave
City Bar Girl Adventures – Night 3 Details
April 11-12, 1999 Mostly Papillion & Champagne Girls
City Bar Girl Adventures – Final Night & Conclusions
Manila Pasay Bars after returning from Angeles - Report
Never completed due to incidents
Links and much more information from others - Report Never
completed due to incidents
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